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OK to Direct Power Off a Marquee 81110+?
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ralpharch



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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: OK to Direct Power Off a Marquee 81110+?

Just curious (remote control question as I have and IR controlled outlet).

Currently I power off the Marquee and then power off the projector totally - but this takes a couple seconds. I have never had any problems with doing this and it stops that fan noise in power off.

Would it be bad for projector to routinely take power off instantly from full on (like a power loss would do)?
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject:

If you could have it shut down after 5 minutes then id say ok. You want the LVPS fans to continue to run after shut down to lower the possibility of pre mature failure from heat in the LVPS and HVPS. Many people do not realize that the LVPS fans also cool the HVPS by pulling the cooling air through the HVPS. This is also why you should always run you PJ with the front panel on to keep a tight seal for the air to able to flow through the correct path.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:08 am    Post subject:

I think he's asking "Is it OK to turn off the projector from video operation by pulling the plug" and the answer is no. Dragan has some recent posts about it I believe.
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:21 am    Post subject:

CRT_Ben wrote:
I think he's asking "Is it OK to turn off the projector from video operation by pulling the plug" and the answer is no. Dragan has some recent posts about it I believe.


Yes i know thats what he meant. he has the outlet on a switch i presume, so a straight no power shut down is not wise as my response explains.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:34 am    Post subject:

Yes -that is what I was asking. But I have been shutting it down in a two step manner for a year or so now without incident - so there is no way I am going to go back to leaving it on (powwered off but that damn fan running) again. Its in a spare bedroom and is just too loud.

Was just really curious if the several seconds of unit power on I am getting now is important or not.
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:47 am    Post subject:

ralpharch wrote:
Yes -that is what I was asking. But I have been shutting it down in a two step manner for a year or so now without incident - so there is no way I am going to go back to leaving it on (powwered off but that damn fan running) again. Its in a spare bedroom and is just too loud.

Was just really curious if the several seconds of unit power on I am getting now is important or not.


do a fan mod, it will be much quieter. I cant hear my 8500 at all when in the room. I use the Enermax Enobal bearing 120mm fans. Super quiet.

You should maybe some how put it on a timer off switch, also the battery will be used more when not powered on
all the time.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:51 am    Post subject:

Say Ralph

The E-Tech Fan Noise Mod will handle your noise problem.

https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=6618.html

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject:

Just got the E-Tech fan mod a few weeks ago and the PJ is silent when off. If there's any noise coming from it, I can't make it over the low hum of the HTPC in the room.
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:17 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
If you could have it shut down after 5 minutes then id say ok. You want the LVPS fans to continue to run after shut down to lower the possibility of pre mature failure from heat in the LVPS and HVPS. Many people do not realize that the LVPS fans also cool the HVPS by pulling the cooling air through the HVPS. This is also why you should always run you PJ with the front panel on to keep a tight seal for the air to able to flow through the correct path.

Athnasios

There was a (sorry..I have to do it) 'heated' discussion over at AVS concerning the necessity of leaving the fans running after shutdown. The better argument was made that the components can't possibly be exposed to more heat when power is killed after use than what is generated when the set is powered up. That discussion made me ALMOST want to dig out the laser thermometer and piss away an hour of my life to settle the argument once and for all. Almost. Laughing

I took away the need to keep spare parts on hand but each to his own. My HT is dedicated so fan noise isn't an issue. Energy conservation is. If I know I won't have the time to use the theater for a while I pull the plug. A hush box is a necessity IMO so powered down fan noise is a non issue.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject:

This is probably why the HVPS (same brand as the Marquee) in the AmPro X600 series is more prone to failure. They run hot as a pistol and when you shut down a AmPro, everything shuts off. My thought is residual heat with no air movement is the culprit.
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject:

stefuel wrote:
This is probably why the HVPS (same brand as the Marquee) in the AmPro X600 series is more prone to failure. They run hot as a pistol and when you shut down a AmPro, everything shuts off. My thought is residual heat with no air movement is the culprit.


Yep i agree, i know there has been this debate over and over, but it doesn't hurt to be safe except for a bit of electrical current, if you worried about that small amount of electricity then you should instal a smart switch in your house to shut off all the outlets that you have any electronics connected to , those small red led's and digital displays i bet add up.
But a timed shut off outlet would be the best compromise.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:08 pm    Post subject:

Hi,

I don't know the marquee pjs, are you saying that when in the standby mode the fans are running? If so then I would say keep it in standby for a few minutes then pull the plug(turn off the mains). Or you could read the manual and see what Ehome suggests. As for my Zenith 1200x I just power off the mains when I'm finished watching it, but then again my pj doesn't run very hot to start with, maybe 35c next to the hottest heatsink.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject:

WTS wrote:
Hi,

I don't know the marquee pjs, are you saying that when in the standby mode the fans are running? If so then I would say keep it in standby for a few minutes then pull the plug(turn off the mains). Or you could read the manual and see what Ehome suggests. As for my Zenith 1200x I just power off the mains when I'm finished watching it, but then again my pj doesn't run very hot to start with, maybe 35c next to the hottest heatsink.


Only the power supply fans run, two inside the LVPS but they also pull air through the HVPS across the power supply bay.
It was designed like this to lower the number of fans i presume, It is an efficient design i must say.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject:

I pull power cords from Marquees all the time on the bench, and see no issues turning the power switch off via the line cord. Most CRT sets (Barco, NEC, Ampro) have designed a menu setting so that the set can actually be powered on and off via the AC cord without having to push any other button, I don't see why the Marquee would suffer by doing this.

Any spot burn/fault 'caused' by pulling the power cord would have an issue elsewhere in the set (in my opinion).
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Curt Palme wrote:
I pull power cords from Marquees all the time on the bench, and see no issues turning the power switch off via the line cord. Most CRT sets (Barco, NEC, Ampro) have designed a menu setting so that the set can actually be powered on and off via the AC cord without having to push any other button, I don't see why the Marquee would suffer by doing this.

Any spot burn/fault 'caused' by pulling the power cord would have an issue elsewhere in the set (in my opinion).


I dont dissagree with you curt about no spot burn or other issue regauring a fault being caused by a cord pull shut down, but if the PJ ahs been running for housr and heat has built up in the Power Supplies a frequent shutting down of the PJ this way with no cooling over the Power supply components may lead to quicker failure of the components in those power supplies. a cooling down period is always good.

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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject:

I have marquee connected to rf-controlled outlet, power cable is splitted over projector, one line goes to lvps second to 1,5amp 12v power supply that runs belly fans (four 120mm 12v Papstīs) So when i turn power off by marquees remote all fans are still running. I usually keep those running few minutes and then power off all by that rf-remote.
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:39 pm    Post subject:

Thanks for all the input.

I am swimming against the tide, but I will now have a small level of comfort programming my TSU 501 remote for my Theater (which can't learn the Marquee codes).
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject:

It's perfectly fine to power a Marquee using the AC to the unit. And there's absolutely no need to worry about cool-down.

Simply go into the menu and select power on, and from there switch the unit off and on from the power to the unit. The LVPS was designed for that feature.

When you turn the unit off with the remote, the only fans still operating is the ones in the LVPS. The belly fans turn off with the remote. If, the belly fans were staying on after the remote turn-off, then maybe I would go along with NOT using the AC power turn the unit on. But since they don't and only the LVPS fans are still operating, then there's no real reason to not use the AC power.

The LVPS barely need the fans. There's really not much in there that over heats at the scan rates we're using. The LVPS really heats up when the Marquee is in the high band. And the higher the scan rate, the hotter it gets.

I've serviced Marquees that were installed in very hot operating environments, and have seen some that the fans were so clogged from dust that they stop running or ran very slow--yet the Marquee kept right on going.

Fact is, that was one of the things that made the Marquee so popular around here. It held up very well in high temperature environments.



So yes, go into the menu and set it up for external power and relax. You're not going to do any damage what-so-ever...
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:11 am    Post subject:

mp20748 wrote:
It's perfectly fine to power a Marquee using the AC to the unit. And there's absolutely no need to worry about cool-down.

Simply go into the menu and select power on, and from there switch the unit off and on from the power to the unit. The LVPS was designed for that feature.

......



So yes, go into the menu and set it up for external power and relax. You're not going to do any damage what-so-ever...


Mike - I am somewhat confused with above. The only thing resembling above I can find is in Utiiity:Preferences and then I can toggle Auto Power on to be either Off or ON

I changed mine from Off to On - is that what you meant to setup correctly for using direct AC off?

One of my goals is to not have to routinely use the Marquee remote - just to power the projector on and off using IR controlled outlet


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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:16 am    Post subject:

ralpharch wrote:
mp20748 wrote:
It's perfectly fine to power a Marquee using the AC to the unit. And there's absolutely no need to worry about cool-down.

Simply go into the menu and select power on, and from there switch the unit off and on from the power to the unit. The LVPS was designed for that feature.

......



So yes, go into the menu and set it up for external power and relax. You're not going to do any damage what-so-ever...


Mike - I am somewhat confused with above. The only thing resembling above I can find is in Utiiity:Preferences and then I can toggle Auto Power on to be either Off or ON

I changed mine from Off to On - is that what you meant to setup correctly for using direct AC off?


I never checked that before... maybe it allows the PJ to run a few minutes then does a complete shut down of all fans?

Now I need to go read the manual.


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