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overclkr · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 4227

**Curt Palme** · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:26 am Post subject:

I get emails all the time about that list. It's so damn subjective.

To me, having seen some Doug Baisey set up and tweaked XGLCs, a 9" set still give that 'sumpin', sumpin', that an 8" set can't do. Trust me, Doug has done superb jobs on the XGLCs that he's done.

Tube life is one thing, but sheer detail is another. Also, some XGs can be tweaked perfectly, other chassis don't quite 'have it' from what I've seen.

While I can be really picky in what I like (I watched another ISF calibration being done on a PG Xtra, and realized I REALLY need to get my colorimeter out for my own set!), but I also can watch a set with no issues as long as convergence is bang on, and focusing is decent. Perfect geometry is less important, and I could watch a 1292, I don't care about fan noise at all.

Overall I still like Marquees and Barcos the best no matter what the set. Say what you want about Ampros, I love their fleshtones, even if corner focusing lacks a bit.

incova · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 789 Location: london

just out of interest, most of those 8s must use smaller lenses I take it, I think the Electrohome 8500 LC has HD 10 but the rest have smaller lenses. As far as I remember these lenses limit resolution do they not? So if we are looking at stock models even if the electronics were better than a 9 gun and this reflected on the image on the tube face, wouldnt the fine detail be limited by the lenses optically speaking. Also at 1080p thats quite a small raster on a 8 to squeeze all that resolution out of so isnt your tube life going to drop considerably as well as light output and the g70 wont do 1080p at all will it? I will differ to the rankings list, I simply do not have enough knowledge of pjs to give a good opinion but I would consider these things when making a judgment on whether to get a 9 gun or not. Also if your going for a larger screen size I found that there is a big difference between my 8 pj vs my 9 pj, I got mine cheap so it was a no brainer for me.

overclkr · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 4227

**Curt Palme** · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:52 am Post subject:

Big dog, you ain't seen nuffin' yet if I have my way.. Wink

overclkr · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 4227

MikeEby · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 5237 Location: Osceola, Indiana

I think I have become somewhat of a sharpness and brightness freak after seeing Cliff's stack, plus I probably have too large a screen at 92" wide. My XG can be sharp as tack even at 1080p72hz the problem is, it can take 2 hours before it gets there so it's not real practical. I have tried 1080i@96hz but the scan lines and noise in the image I find to be a huge distraction. Perhaps there is something wrong? My guess is some of the caps have broken down, after all its 12 years old.

Parts availability, spot burn risk and replacement tube cost on a G90 frankly has me concerned that one is not a sensible choice as a replacement for my NEC. It reality I will probably consider making a switch to the "D" word before I throw a cash at a G90 unless it was at a true bargain price. A Marquee 9” seems to make a lot of sense other however weakness in the LC chamber is troubling. That leaves a 909 as the last option but at $1700 per tube it too is questionable investment. Honestly I would like see a few new generation digitals just to see if I could live with them.

Mike

zGman · Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 599

"""just out of interest, most of those 8s must use smaller lenses I take it, I think the Electrohome 8500 LC has HD 10 but the rest have smaller lenses. As far as I remember these lenses limit resolution do they not? So if we are looking at stock models even if the electronics were better than a 9 gun and this reflected on the image on the tube face, wouldnt the fine detail be limited by the lenses optically speaking."""

This is basically correct - the 9" optics are better, not only in resolving power, but also they are simply
considerably larger in diameter which lets them collect and throughput more light...

The picture can have substantially more 'dimension' or 'depth' , which relates to fine detail,
and the liquid coupling seems to me to be more effective, eg. better contrast...

G

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incova · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 789 Location: london

What about the Barco 1209s as a option, the guys in the UK who have these machines can only say good things about them, I have a AMpro 4600 myself but Ampro owners are few and far, also the people that have seen them are few and far, so I cannot really say to you get one as I have not seen a XG to compare, I am quite happy with my Ampro though, the corner focus issue is not really major as far as I can see and I am sure Curt has parts for the ones he sells.

stgdz · Joined: 07 Dec 2008 Posts: 107

Is this the ISF that you guys are talking about?
http://www.imagingscience.com/

Also this is a interesting discussion and it reminds me of the porsche, ferrari vs lambo comparisons that magazines post all the time.

Jesse S · Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 209 Location: Etobicoke

mp20748 · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:12 pm Post subject:

**Curt Palme** · Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject:

incova · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 789 Location: london

Is this the HFQ900 Mike? is this lense really that good? have you switched it between pjs and seen this as well, like stuck them on the g90, 9500 etc, if so is there a thread for these results? I always wondered how good they were but never got a definitive answer. Just wondering aloud Mike but I think many of us would like to hear your opinion on this.

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emdawgz1 · Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 7949