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napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Athens, Greece
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:13 pm Post subject: Question about Marquee 9500 HD10 lenses. |
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I need your help on this one guys. I just got a Marquee 9500LC Ultra. It originated as a 8500LC Ultra that was fitted with 9" tubes. The lenses it has say" HD10GT". They don't specify if they are the GT17 or GT26. The friend of mine that sold me the projector was using a 110" diagonal 4:3 screen, so I am guessing they are not the GT26. Could they be the plain HD10?
I am going to be using a 16:9 80" wide screen, which I am currently using with my Marquee 8500.
Will I be able to have a decent focus if I place the 9500 at the same position?
Thanking all of you in advance,
Nicholas
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Curt Palme CRT Tech
Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 24396 Location: Langley, BC
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Yes, you should be fine. THe 10GT are earlier versions of the GT17 from what I know..
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napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Athens, Greece
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Thanks Curt,
You really set my mind at ease. I am having it installed tomorrow. Did I mention it is MP modded? It will be replacing my MP modded 8500 non Ultra. The mods the 9500 has are v.1 I believe, where as the mods the 8500 has are v.2. However, I expect the differece will be based on the 9" tubes' ability to resolve more detail and of cource the LC vs AC issue.
Will keep you posted on the matter.
Thanks again,
Nicholas
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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Tim in Phoenix
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 4409 Location: Phoenix
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Question about Marquee 9500 HD10 lenses. |
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| napos wrote: |
I am going to be using a 16:9 80" wide screen, which I am currently using with my Marquee 8500.
Will I be able to have a decent focus if I place the 9500 at the same position?
Nicholas |
Hello
Not necessarily. Try it out on the floor first, it may need a longer throw distance.
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Question about Marquee 9500 HD10 lenses. |
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| Tim in Phoenix wrote: | | napos wrote: |
I am going to be using a 16:9 80" wide screen, which I am currently using with my Marquee 8500.
Will I be able to have a decent focus if I place the 9500 at the same position?
Nicholas |
Hello
Not necessarily. Try it out on the floor first, it may need a longer throw distance.
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Tim is right, i didn't see your replacing the 8500. Since the raster/image area of the 8 inch tube is smaller than the 9 inch
tube your throw will also change unless you waste tube area and keep the raster the size of the 8 inch tube.
But why would you want to do that right? You will need to move it closer to use a larger phosphor area.
Athanasios
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napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Athens, Greece
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Thank you all for the quick reply.
I am not certain as to which formula I should use. I have the appendix B (1.15*(SWin + 11.2in))
from VDC and I also have the lens program, which give different results. Also, if the HD10GT is an older lens, is the trow distance similar to the GT17 or the regular HD10?
Thanking you in andvance,
Nicholas
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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I never use the formulas as it depends on how well you maximize the Phosphor . You should make sure the image is 5-7 mm away from the edge of the tube face. The raster can go over the edges its the image that you do not want to go over the edge or you could implode the tube. So you center the image on the green tube face(use and actual external source not the internal patterns),I use the overscan image on the DVE disc's. Once that is centered i then aim it at the screen while its on the floor and move the PJ till the Image fills the screen. Also make sure its square to the screen as well. Once you do this transfer that location to the ceiling. I tie a washer to a string and and hang it from the ceiling till it touches the green lens. I then tape the string or make this location on the ceiling. Then mount the PJ so that the Green lens is at that mark on the ceiling. The lens formula is really just a conservative one that does not maximize the phosphor use of the tube.
Athanasios
PS Kai na kytakse's afto to edo:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/crt-projectors/397403-generic-crt-alignment-focus-set-up.html#post3484454
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napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Athens, Greece
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The problem is that I will be at work when the installation will take place. The guy installing it is knowledgeable regarding CRTs. He just wanted me to give him the throw distance to start with. He will then do the mechanical setup. Should I use the formula as a rough guide and add let's say 5-8 inches to the actual position? I will be using the lens program based on which I performed the installation of the 8500. The results I got for 198cm wide are 275cm from foot to screen for the 8500 and 306cm from foot to screen for the 9500 with GT17s. Should I go with that???
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Nashou66
Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| napos wrote: | | The problem is that I will be at work when the installation will take place. The guy installing it is knowledgeable regarding CRTs. He just wanted me to give him the throw distance to start with. He will then do the mechanical setup. Should I use the formula as a rough guide and add let's say 5-8 inches to the actual position? I will be using the lens program based on which I performed the installation of the 8500. The results I got for 198cm wide are 275cm from foot to screen for the 8500 and 306cm from foot to screen for the 9500 with GT17s. Should I go with that??? |
I can't help you with that since i never used the calculator and only have set up my own as I described above.
Maybe you can give him a print out of the document i link for you above and he can follow it along but if he is knowledgeable
with CRT then he should know this already, if not then you should let him read through it . If using an approximation for a mounting position you may end up using only the same portion of phosphor as your 8 inch set, then what is the point.
Athanasios
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napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Athens, Greece
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| napos wrote: | | The problem is that I will be at work when the installation will take place. The guy installing it is knowledgeable regarding CRTs. He just wanted me to give him the throw distance to start with. He will then do the mechanical setup. Should I use the formula as a rough guide and add let's say 5-8 inches to the actual position? I will be using the lens program based on which I performed the installation of the 8500. The results I got for 198cm wide are 275cm from foot to screen for the 8500 and 306cm from foot to screen for the 9500 with GT17s. Should I go with that??? |
Assuming, the installation for the 8500 was correct, does placing the 9500 about 12" behind the 8500 position sound about right for an 80" wide screen? Tim? Curt?
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stefuel
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3353 Location: Green Harbor MA USA
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Use the e-home throw calculator from Tim's site. It's very easy to use.
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napos
Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 164 Location: Athens, Greece
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Bad news: unfortunatelly, there is some problem with the green tube. I can see dotted lines in diagonal patterns all over the green image and also, I believe that all the tubes may be emitting light with no signal. Is this a problem with the low voltage power supply? If so, I can use the LVPS from my 8500 and correct the problem. Please let me know if this can be corrected this way.
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Nashou66
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