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Complete Barco 120X mini coax video chain mod!
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Gary M.
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject:

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Damn, some of those solder jobs look like you used an old wood burning iron to solder with.

I wish you good luck in completing your rebuild project.


classic Walter at his best Rolling Eyes blinded by dislike for someone Thumbs Up

I solder every day of my life doing HD-SDI mods and other intricate modifications on DVD/BD players etc., it is what I live and die by, you think I don't clean up all my solder joints before completion of a project?, how do you know my pics where at completion? (point in fact they weren't they were as I was going) so in the end you jump to critique my soldering by looking at crappy pics online that were not finished product! that says alot about you right there dude

you want to compare soldering jobs?, I am game anyday and to boot I am just a hack in a basement, not a proud distinguished know it all EE such as yourself Mr. Green

also please point out what connectors that you say I trashed and then used anyway?
also please explain why the cabling from the BNC connectors to the first RGB board shouldn't be 75ohm?
and how a dual foil and braid shielding cable (Belden 1522a) is not better than a braid only setup that I called cheaper in comparison? Teflon dielectric isn't the whole story!

50ohm? I don't give a rats ass, I have did this with every PJ I have owned and it always helped and worked out well, that is all that matters to me Thumbs Up

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject:

I can only go by what I see there Gary.

I don't understand, you first solder the connects then you come back and clean them up later. Hmmm, can you say cold joints, but of course you probably don't know what that is or what causes them. You make it sound like I'm a beginner at soldering, I was doing this sh!t long before you were born sonny boy so don't get too cocky.

As for the cables, I was referring to the inter board cables. As for the connector I referred to it is the one on the RGB driver board from the switcher board. Well for long runs yes of course a belfoil coax is better but you're only going inches and that small crappy cable was meant for short runs inside equipment.

I don't recall saying anything about trashing any connectors.

Well at least I can say I know something about electronics unlike you who doesn't seem to know the difference between a 50R and 75R cable or why there is a need for both in the case of the Barco.

As far as wishing you luck I sincerely meant it, I hope your rebuild project turns out and it looks better than new. But of course you're too imature to take it that way or any flak for that matter.

Before you start knocking things perhaps you should educate yourself first. But I guess because you've done this before then you are the expert in this area.

Relax Gary, take a pill and get back to modding your 9"er. I love chatting with you because you get upset so easily and tend to lose it, nice. Don't take it to heart Gary, I'm just bugging you.

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject:

Gary take a closer look at the connector with the white wire on the right side of this picture, it looks like its burnt a bit, not sure if you noticed this or not. I wonder if this could be related to your problem.



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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject:

WTS wrote:
I can only go by what I see there Gary.

I don't understand, you first solder the connects then you come back and clean them up later. Hmmm, can you say cold joints, but of course you probably don't know what that is or what causes them. You make it sound like I'm a beginner at soldering, I was doing this sh!t long before you were born sonny boy so don't get too cocky.

As for the cables, I was referring to the inter board cables. As for the connector I referred to it is the one on the RGB driver board from the switcher board. Well for long runs yes of course a belfoil coax is better but you're only going inches and that small crappy cable was meant for short runs inside equipment.

I don't recall saying anything about trashing any connectors.

Well at least I can say I know something about electronics unlike you who doesn't seem to know the difference between a 50R and 75R cable or why there is a need for both in the case of the Barco.

As far as wishing you luck I sincerely meant it, I hope your rebuild project turns out and it looks better than new. But of course you're too imature to take it that way or any flak for that matter.

Before you start knocking things perhaps you should educate yourself first. But I guess because you've done this before then you are the expert in this area.

Relax Gary, take a pill and get back to modding your 9"er. I love chatting with you because you get upset so easily and tend to lose it, nice. Don't take it to heart Gary, I'm just bugging you.


Walter, first of all, again you wish to question my soldering skills, how do you explain my trade? do you have any idea what skill it takes to do HD-SDI mods? I think you need to look into it, if you knew anything about me you wouldn't even come close to questioning anything I solder, but again you have a sore spot for me and anything I do, I think it may be because I do things that others twice my age worked long and hard at, it bothers some to see someone like me doing some stuff

contrary to what you or others may think, it doesn't take a EE to put together a custom video cable or build a simple balanced transformer setup to help with dirty power

you said that I trashed connectors and then used them, are you speaking of the connection between the 2 RGB boards? that is what you just said, maybe you can't see it but it is a straight shot, those PCB connections and the small 2 pin connectors were eliminated, so I didn't use what I trashed

I didn't say I didn't know the difference between 50ohm and 75ohm cables, I said that in the past I have replaced internal signal cables on a few pjs without questioning whether they were 50/75 R and it worked out fine

the rear of the Barco 1209 is a nasty area, there are all sorts of signal wires, fan wires, HV, tons of interference, why wouldn't the much better shielded Belden not be a better choice vs a braid shield cable that has a Teflon core?, from what little I have read about Teflon cores is that they are for high temp areas and are over rated in video/audio circles, why not share with us why they are so much better in this exact case? and yes you are correct, I didn't even realize the internal Barco cables where Teflon

it started out as fun Walter I admit, but you proceeded to get pretty nasty sometimes and I grew tired of it, I joke more than anyone but this goes beyond that

-Gary


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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Gary take a closer look at the connector with the white wire on the right side of this picture, it looks like its burnt a bit, not sure if you noticed this or not. I wonder if this could be related to your problem.



Athanasios


Athan, yep noticed that first thing working at the rear of the MB, however turns out it was mold, I went over every square inch of this PJ cleaning it of mold, just finished today, what a PITA Thumbs Down

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject:

I don't know Gary, what "is" your trade?

I have a sore spot you? Well I guess you shouldn't trash people like you or did to me by adding words and saying things I never did say, but I guess that's just the way you are.

You're absolutely correct Gary, it doesn't take an EE to build a simple cable or a balanced transformer, but it might to fully understand what it does and how and why. I never claimed to be the expert in the video field as that's not my background in electronics. As for soldering, practice makes perfect.

Again, I never said anything about you trashing any connectors, learn how to read.

Just in case you didn't know, but I'm sure you do, the coax running from the switcher to the RGB driver board is 50R imp., the coax running from the RGB driver board to the neck boards are 75R imp.. Now does it make any difference if you use 75R in place of the 50R, for that short of run no.

I think somewhere on Beldens site there is a white paper on teflon core coax cables and their advantages in HF. Even the best sounding audio cables use teflon insulation.

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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject:

As far as you using what connectors, in the pic of the 2 vid boards it appears like you are still using the long PCB style connector, or are the wires soldered directly to the board and if so then why do you still have the connector there?

Gary I don't mind and I wouldn't mind helping you out with modding your Barco video path and other things to help out the Barcos but damn you gotta lighten up and be nice for gawds sake. I've exchanged info with Anthan to help him with his Marquee and I don't think he found it too hard to talk with me.

But that's okay Gary have fun and don't let the smoke out for crying out loud.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject:

WTS wrote:
As far as you using what connectors, in the pic of the 2 vid boards it appears like you are still using the long PCB style connector, or are the wires soldered directly to the board and if so then why do you still have the connector there?

Gary I don't mind and I wouldn't mind helping you out with modding your Barco video path and other things to help out the Barcos but damn you gotta lighten up and be nice for gawds sake. I've exchanged info with Anthan to help him with his Marquee and I don't think he found it too hard to talk with me.

But that's okay Gary have fun and don't let the smoke out for crying out loud.



Gary walt was a big help to me and gave me some ideas on what to to do, where to look, where to research and learn
things about electronics sine I am a restauranteur by trade. This is just a hobby or an obsession now Wink But I agree sometimes you get a bit offended when you should just take it as good ole ribbing, I have got lots of it. It also does make
you step back and think about stuff. The one thing I do love about this forum is the people here, I cant wait to get my final set up done to have a meet, even if its not perfect I am sure I'll enjoy the people more . But I do think Walt is sincere in wanting to give you tips and pointers, and If i were you, he is one guy i'd want that help from.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject:

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How many other vultures are out there waiting for a chance at this pile of parts? Laughing


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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject:

Athanasios,

I thought I had read in one of Garys posts that he was going to get Greg to mod his boards. If I'm not mistaken I believe Greg is asking about $1200 for modding a set of boards, not sure what boards he actually mods but that is a hefty price for modding boards.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:41 am    Post subject:

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Athanasios,

I thought I had read in one of Garys posts that he was going to get Greg to mod his boards. If I'm not mistaken I believe Greg is asking about $1200 for modding a set of boards, not sure what boards he actually mods but that is a hefty price for modding boards.


I know he is doing them for less now that the economy is slow, also he is adding the HDMI board for free from what he told some on AVS and me Vie E-mail. HE has been busy with his day job so I ma not sure how much more work he has done.
He was also suppose to drop in on my Marquee thread and give some Ideas on the VIM once I get there. i have been doing lots of reading or some audio papers from old audioexpress articles called the POOGE chronicles. very interesting stuff and it has taught me a lot. Some things could apply to video as well, for example some fast recovery diodes actually add noise into the power lines after you have spent all that time filtering them. They suggest using soft recovery one's, now I am not sure if they will have an adverse affect on video or the specific circuit they are in as I am not affluent in EE stuff, just learning. Not to digress but on the VNB for the marquee there are 8 of those noisy diodes 1N4003's. Iw as going to swap those out and see if they make any difference as they feed the High frequency transistors that could amplify them into the video signal. Not sure just a theory .

I have no doubt greg knows his stuff, but how he tries to sell his work is not very good, screen shots even though really dont truly show the whole "picture" would get him a more creditable reputation. But MadMrH says his mods DO make an improvement and he is very critical. On his words alone i would believe it.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject:

AH yes, the pooge articles, I am very familiar with those and with audioexpress, I have/had most of the mags since about late 70s I believe it was. Lots of good reading, and I do remember the talk about soft recovery diodes which is what I used in the power amps I designed, well I guess I should say I used them pretty much in every audio piece I built. Actually I had to replace one in one of my poweramps just 2 days ago, it shorted, don't know why or how but I had spares. Another thing I did was put ferrite beads on each of the leads.
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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:33 am    Post subject:

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AH yes, the pooge articles, I am very familiar with those and with audioexpress, I have/had most of the mags since about late 70s I believe it was. Lots of good reading, and I do remember the talk about soft recovery diodes which is what I used in the power amps I designed, well I guess I should say I used them pretty much in every audio piece I built. Actually I had to replace one in one of my poweramps just 2 days ago, it shorted, don't know why or how but I had spares. Another thing I did was put ferrite beads on each of the leads.


On each of the leads for the diode right? Hmmm interesting. I wonder if these will help on the MRF548/549 Transistor lines they are used in on the Marquees Vim. Do you thin a circuit like that would have any adverse affects on it or actually clean it up a bit? I was going to ask Mike parker but I am too humbled by his knowledge. I do plan to try different inductors on those lines though, they have inductors there but their might be better parts for them.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject:

Yes one on each lead.


I don't recall the Marquee schematics off hand and I'm not sure where those transistors are in the circuit.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject:

Walt , lets discuss this on the Marquee thread when I get to it. Gary , you can have your thread back !!! Wink

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject:

Z-Photo wrote:
The first Barco commandment

Get it working

then MOD it.....



Gary - you have beeen fined 1 hour of ampro watching...

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I'm surprized that no one noticed how quiet I was even with the door left wide open like that.
"one hour of AmPro watching" well let's just look at that. How could he do that if what Pete say's is true and all AmPro's are broken and why would that even be needed if the Barco in question (along with many others on this forum) were not broken. Hmmmmm??? Rolling Eyes

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
WTS wrote:
Athanasios,

I thought I had read in one of Garys posts that he was going to get Greg to mod his boards. If I'm not mistaken I believe Greg is asking about $1200 for modding a set of boards, not sure what boards he actually mods but that is a hefty price for modding boards.


I know he is doing them for less now that the economy is slow, also he is adding the HDMI board for free from what he told some on AVS and me Vie E-mail. HE has been busy with his day job so I ma not sure how much more work he has done.
He was also suppose to drop in on my Marquee thread and give some Ideas on the VIM once I get there. i have been doing lots of reading or some audio papers from old audioexpress articles called the POOGE chronicles. very interesting stuff and it has taught me a lot. Some things could apply to video as well, for example some fast recovery diodes actually add noise into the power lines after you have spent all that time filtering them. They suggest using soft recovery one's, now I am not sure if they will have an adverse affect on video or the specific circuit they are in as I am not affluent in EE stuff, just learning. Not to digress but on the VNB for the marquee there are 8 of those noisy diodes 1N4003's. Iw as going to swap those out and see if they make any difference as they feed the High frequency transistors that could amplify them into the video signal. Not sure just a theory .

I have no doubt greg knows his stuff, but how he tries to sell his work is not very good, screen shots even though really dont truly show the whole "picture" would get him a more creditable reputation. But MadMrH says his mods DO make an improvement and he is very critical. On his words alone i would believe it.

Athanasios


Andy says that Gregs work is top notch, so I agree Athan, that is all I need to know Wink

having recently dealt with Greg and speaking with him he is certainly on his game and knows the Barco like the back of his hand, him and Andy both have been super duper help with the Barco

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject:

Well Gregs certainly talks a big talk, but having talked with him via email many times over the past year I'm not so sure just how extensive he knows the Barcos like the back of his hand, leaves a big question mark in my mind.

Now that's not to say his mods don't make an improvement over the stock boards, just how many percent points are we talking, Greg seems to think his mods make a 100% or was it 200% improvement? Hmmmm whatever Greg, it seems over the past there's been a few people question that including me. I know what gains can be made to the Barco video chain with some mods, does Gregs get there I don't know never seen them, a few people say yes, but then again maybe they haven't seen other peoples mods to compare them to.

Gary, you seem to be on the ball, why don't you do the mods yourself and save alot of money and learn something along the way.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject:

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> dealt with Greg and speaking with him he is certainly on his game and knows the Barco like the back of his hand <

IMO, Greg is a bigger BS'er than any other engineer I've ever known, and incoherent in his written communications 50% of the time (another strange trait for an engineer). But certainly a nice enough fellow, with some good enhancements to offer. He's also really short on followthrough, having promised to share information many times, then failed to do so.

Gary, I'd agree with Walter that doing it yourself would afford you an opportunity to learn a lot, vs. just sending your boards off to be modded, waiting, then dropping them back in. You seem to have time available, though it would be a hit to the immediate gratification aspect. Wink

Also, I'm a bit concerned that if you don't take the time to get your PJ running first and evaluate it, you won't be in any position to say what kind of gains you see from getting the Eisemann mods. So you really wouldn't know how "worthwhile" they were to you. If you do go that route, set up the PJ first, take some time to get to know its strengths and weaknesses (watch a few films!), THEN get the mods. At that point, I'd be interested in hearing your comments.

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Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject:

I would be interested in doing a DIY mod that improved performance, but Gregs boards are out of my budget. I can solder fairly well, (done some SMT work succesfully) and have been dabbling since I was 9yrs old. I know a little about electronics but no longer own a scope. I'm very interested in seeing Gary's finished mods.
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