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benareeno
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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Eddie Van Halen is my musical idol...I grew up being completely inspired by the stuff he recorded. He practically revolutionized the instrument...I was quite amazed to see that Curt chose a pic of Ed for his avitar. I also noted that the pic is a DLR era pic...the ONLY era for Van Halen!
David Lee Roth is a jackass, but I still think that's part of what made or makes him great. He is a professional rock star first and a singer a distant second. But his voice is magical on their albums....but not quite there when you hear him live.
I think that together, these two formed the heart of the greatest rock band ever...when they were at the top of their game, I just can't imagine a better band to have seen live.
Did anyone get to see Van Halen live with David Lee Roth in their prime? I'm just a tad to young to have seen it, and it is a definite void for me...
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Curt Palme
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No, you're right, DLR made Van Halen. Had Hagar fronted them from the beginning, they'd be another plain rock band.
I saw DLR on his own...twice.
I put up the Eddie picture to show Gary M what REAL music is all about. 
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Person99
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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| benareeno wrote: | | Eddie Van Halen is my musical idol...I grew up being completely inspired by the stuff he recorded. He practically revolutionized the instrument |
Try some John McLaughlin, incredible stuff without simply being the self absorbed masturbation of types like Eddie Van Halen.
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emdawgz1
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There is only ONE Van Halen.
That is EVH and DLR.
Period.
Van Hagar had a couple of decent cuts but its not REAL VH!
And yes DLR is a nut but i've seen him a few times and he puts on a great show. And.... one of the funniest Beavis and butthead lines EVER.
During the "Just like Paradise video, DLR is on stage and Butthead sys.."Sing Fat boy!"
Classic!!!
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Curt Palme
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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| Person99 wrote: | | benareeno wrote: | | Eddie Van Halen is my musical idol...I grew up being completely inspired by the stuff he recorded. He practically revolutionized the instrument |
Try some John McLaughlin, incredible stuff without simply being the self absorbed masturbation of types like Eddie Van Halen. |
You're comparing jazz/fusion to hard rock. That's not allowed. 
THere's far more jazz that's musical masturbation over any amount found in rock. Gary M's avatar of Yngvie Malmsteen started the feud.
Yngvie Malmsteen is the best guitar player in the world. Just ask Yngvie Malmsteen.
Edit: Just checked out John McLaughlin's website. Speaking about masturbation, I could not have that on in the background, my hand would fall asleep...
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Person99
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | benareeno wrote: | | Eddie Van Halen is my musical idol...I grew up being completely inspired by the stuff he recorded. He practically revolutionized the instrument |
Try some John McLaughlin, incredible stuff without simply being the self absorbed masturbation of types like Eddie Van Halen. |
You're comparing jazz/fusion to hard rock. That's not allowed.
THere's far more jazz that's musical masturbation over any amount found in rock. Gary M's avatar of Yngvie Malmsteen started the feud.
Yngvie Malmsteen is the best guitar player in the world. Just ask Yngvie Malmsteen.
Edit: Just checked out John McLaughlin's website. Speaking about masturbation, I could not have that on in the background, my hand would fall asleep... |
Yes, you got me, Malmsteen's masturbation sets new standards of guitar masturbation for no purpose other than masturbation. But seriously, listen to the Shakti Album, listen to some of the stuff he did with Santana, listen to some of the stuff from the 70s ans well as the 90s. He has musical expression. Eddie (and the like) have no musical expression. It is simply just masturbation. 
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Curt Palme
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OK, I'll give you an inbetween: Alan Holdsworth.
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emdawgz1
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Malmsteen may be the best... but who wants to listen to it?
Not me 
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Person99
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | Malmsteen may be the best... but who wants to listen to it?
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Yes it is awful to listen to. Because he is not a musician.
Being a musician is more than chops. You could have the fastest tennis serve in the world (some "chops"), but that does not mean you would be even a good tennis player. That is Malmsteen, lots of chops but no musical talent.
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Curt Palme
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Bah, to each their own. My musical tastes are all over the map. THe last interesting band I heard (got a free CD from a radio station) was Dragonforce. Not something I'd listen to all the time, but talk about chops.
I don't like getting into the 'dude, that band SUCKS' arguments.
Now, if you want to talk about the crappy sound quality of the new Metallica album....I'm all over it. Give me the Black album any day..
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benareeno
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I can't imagine anyone liking Yngwie's music...because it's anything BUT musical. Ed is a musical genius and a guitar virtuoso! Most of you probably haven't heard his best efforts...
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My tastes are all over as well. And in many cases i like bad bands.
Does anyone remember the Replacements. Their album "Pleased to meet me" is one of my favorites. are they a great band? Hell no!. But i love it!
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stuffandpuff
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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| Person99 wrote: | | benareeno wrote: | | Eddie Van Halen is my musical idol...I grew up being completely inspired by the stuff he recorded. He practically revolutionized the instrument |
Try some John McLaughlin, incredible stuff without simply being the self absorbed masturbation of types like Eddie Van Halen. |
NO way ..You can't be serious. 
Jazz is full of self absorbed masturbators trying to convince themselves and their audience that they are making relevant music. EVH has more feeling in his playing than 90% of musicians. The Song/Riff always came first with VH. The other well known players from the 70s 80s could not write a memorial tune if their life depended on it. This applies to Jazz as well. 75 % of all music sucks, 20% is mediocre and the last 5% has some real talent.
I have to mention that I saw Pat Metheny in concert recently and he is the cream of the crop in Jazz guitar. I also saw Allen Holdsworth a couple years ago in a small setting, and being a huge fan of his music I was thoroughly disappointed in the live show. It was 120 minutes of pissing up a rope. No songs, just the most amazing players playing as fast as they can... I was bored to death after 15 minutes.
I will say the biggest applause came when they played a tune off of Metal Fatigue. It was the only tune they played all night that had any song structure and a melody you could follow. The reaction of the audience reinforces to me that people like good songs over amazing technical playing anyday. EVH is not and never has been a technical player. He just had fast hands.
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emdawgz1
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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| stuffandpuff wrote: |
Jazz is full of self absorbed masturbators trying to convince themselves and their audience that they are making relevant music. EVH has more feeling in his playing than 90% of musicians. The Song/Riff always came first with VH. The other well known players from the 70s 80s could not write a memorial tune if their life depended on it. This applies to Jazz as well. 75 % of all music sucks, 20% is mediocre and the last 5% has some real talent.
I have to mention that I saw Pat Metheny in concert recently and he is the cream of the crop in Jazz guitar. I also saw Allen Holdsworth a couple years ago in a small setting, and being a huge fan of his music I was thoroughly disappointed in the live show. It was 120 minutes of pissing up a rope. No songs, just the most amazing players playing as fast as they can... I was bored to death after 15 minutes.
I will say the biggest applause came when they played a tune off of Metal Fatigue. It was the only tune they played all night that had any song structure and a melody you could follow. The reaction of the audience reinforces to me that people like good songs over amazing technical playing anyday. EVH is not and never has been a technical player. He just had fast hands. |
EVH is very good. But he's no Hendrix. He's not the greatest.
And I love Pat Metheney as well.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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Yes, you got me, Malmsteen's masturbation sets new standards of guitar masturbation for no purpose other than masturbation. But seriously, listen to the Shakti Album, listen to some of the stuff he did with Santana, listen to some of the stuff from the 70s ans well as the 90s. He has musical expression. Eddie (and the like) have no musical expression. It is simply just masturbation. |
It's interesting you mention Santana because if you read his old interviews in Guitar Magazine, he Loves EVH's playing.
* Billy Gibbons from ZZ top calls EVH the "best rock and roll guitarist since Hendrix".
* Frank Zappa said "Jimi Hendrix invented the Electric Guitar and Eddie Van Halen re-invented it"
* Pete Townshend,. " Only his (EDV) wonderful playing allows me to forgive him for letting DLR stand in his way"
I understand if your not into the type of music but to suggest EVH plays without feeling is suggesting people like Page, Beck, Santana, Zappa, Townshend and many others don't know what they are talking about. The guy (EVH) is the definition of feeling.
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Zappa of course is GAWD. I discovered Zappa in Grade 8, probably 6 months before VH 1 came out.
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stuffandpuff
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | stuffandpuff wrote: |
Jazz is full of self absorbed masturbators trying to convince themselves and their audience that they are making relevant music. EVH has more feeling in his playing than 90% of musicians. The Song/Riff always came first with VH. The other well known players from the 70s 80s could not write a memorial tune if their life depended on it. This applies to Jazz as well. 75 % of all music sucks, 20% is mediocre and the last 5% has some real talent.
I have to mention that I saw Pat Metheny in concert recently and he is the cream of the crop in Jazz guitar. I also saw Allen Holdsworth a couple years ago in a small setting, and being a huge fan of his music I was thoroughly disappointed in the live show. It was 120 minutes of pissing up a rope. No songs, just the most amazing players playing as fast as they can... I was bored to death after 15 minutes.
I will say the biggest applause came when they played a tune off of Metal Fatigue. It was the only tune they played all night that had any song structure and a melody you could follow. The reaction of the audience reinforces to me that people like good songs over amazing technical playing anyday. EVH is not and never has been a technical player. He just had fast hands. |
EVH is very good. But he's no Hendrix. He's not the greatest.
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I never said he was Hendrix or the greatest.  but I can't think of a more relevant rock guitarist since Hendrix. Clapton, Beck and the rest were basically blues players. I like them all. I just can't get over the fact that someone would suggest Eddie plays with no feeling.
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Zappa of course is GAWD. I discovered Zappa in Grade 8, probably 6 months before VH 1 came out. |
Come to the Zappanale next year! It's in Germany, but they have CRTs over there too! 
Went to see Zappa plays Zappa, but that Dweezil acted a lot like a sell-out. Someone from the venue came on stage, and asked that we would not throw things at the band. Nobody had thrown anything, and for hell's sake, it's supposed to be a bloody ROCK BAND! Don't they know how to handle those things by themselves, ìf they would occur?
Halfway Dweezil stopped playing, and demanded that the person making pictures (with his mobile phone) would stop doing that, and that he had better left or something! I can't imagine that this is the way FZ would want it, as with the Zappanale it's about the music.. Seems Dweezil is only in it for the money!
Too bad I never saw (or heard from) FZ when he was alive.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Curt likes Ed but not DLR? |
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| Curt Palme wrote: | | Person99 wrote: | | benareeno wrote: | | Eddie Van Halen is my musical idol...I grew up being completely inspired by the stuff he recorded. He practically revolutionized the instrument |
Try some John McLaughlin, incredible stuff without simply being the self absorbed masturbation of types like Eddie Van Halen. |
You're comparing jazz/fusion to hard rock. That's not allowed.
THere's far more jazz that's musical masturbation over any amount found in rock. Gary M's avatar of Yngvie Malmsteen started the feud.
Yngvie Malmsteen is the best guitar player in the world. Just ask Yngvie Malmsteen.
Edit: Just checked out John McLaughlin's website. Speaking about masturbation, I could not have that on in the background, my hand would fall asleep... |
Yes, especially modern jazz/fusion. It's so self-indulgent and missing the point. Classical music in the 20th century and on (past serialism) is the same in a slightly less note-heavy manner. It really, really bugs me as a musician, songwriter, composer and music fan. The thing I can respect about EVH is that at least he's pretty straightforward about what he does. It is over the top, self-absorbed music. That's what makes it great and that's what people like about it and that's cool.
So many other genre's of music don't thrive under the same sensibilities though at all. I got into arguments with my theory/composition professors all the time about it. They think I'm a horrible person because I define progression as continually climbing up a ladder per se where as many other forms of music like classical, jazz, etc. that once were great and honest are now held up by composers (mainly in the University) who have decided to jump off the ladder entirely and start from scratch. What they've done is developed a highly calculated and technical manner to make noise that a child could make who's never touched an instrument. But they all say...
"Oh it's great! You just don't get it! You have to understand how it works and you obviously don't!"
But I kinda do. I just don't listen to music like I analyze a theory assignment. The listener should not have to look at a score and understand how to break it down on a theoretical level to get it. If you have to do that to get a piece, the composer sucks. I get it and I think it sucks because first and foremost, it's not pleasant to listen to!!!!!!!!!!! Who cares about the numbers a theorist can assign to suggest that it makes sense. Just because you can explain it doesn't make it good. It just means you're a better bullshitter than composer.
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Can anyone sense the pent-up rage?!?!?!
I will own the music world in due time, just wait...
Because I can play as technically proficient as just about anyone, but I actually have good taste, self-restraint and respect for MUSICALITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I make music, I am serving music. I do it with respect for what it needs. Sometimes you need to blow your load on a piece, sometimes you need to play two notes. If people can't do that or at least acknowledge the truth in that statement, they ought to just do something else with their time. SRV played too much when he got nervous but he knew it and continually worked on it and said time and time again, it's not hard to play fast. That's easy. It's hard playing very little very slowly. You're real musicianship is infinitely more vulnerable at that point.
Rage rage rage...I will now go make a tremendous amount of noise with my Strat.
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