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MikeEby
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Yeah....Bright areas of the screen flicker really bad on an XG at 48hz, I didn't recall posting any 48hz timings. I was about the same as you until I watched a high contrast scene, thats when it rears its ugly head.
Your actually blessed your wife is picky, makes justifying upgrades easier. 
Perhaps Mike Parker will come up with some mods that will help us out at higher refresh rates.
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dropzone7
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| MikeEby wrote: | Yeah....Bright areas of the screen flicker really bad on an XG at 48hz, I didn't recall posting any 48hz timings. I was about the same as you until I watched a high contrast scene, thats when it rears its ugly head.
Your actually blessed your wife is picky, makes justifying upgrades easier.
Perhaps Mike Parker will come up with some mods that will help us out at higher refresh rates.
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Yeah, I guess I meant 1080p timings and not necessarily 48hz. That's just what worked for me when sending 1080p/24 from the Blu Ray player. It sure would be nice sometimes to have the plug and play simplicity of a 1080p digital but I know I would be missing what I love most about CRT. Great contrast, accurate color reproduction, etc. I know it's coming like a runaway train though. A shoebox sized projector with an anamorphic lens is in my future I just know it.
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MikeEby
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Great contrast, accurate color reproduction, etc. I know it's coming like a runaway train though. A shoebox sized projector with an anamorphic lens is in my future I just know it. |
The better ones are somewhat larger than a shoebox but I have to agree. I'm not sure it's really worth sinking tons of $$$$ into a NEC. My green tube is showing some wear, I don't even know if I can get a new replacement. An anamorphic lens is a nice compromise for those of us that like to tinker is still a little bit more of a challenge then just hanging a projector on the ceiling and setting focus, where's the fun in that?
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dropzone7
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Hah! I tweaked my 1080p entry and setup an 817p entry last night. I guess this allowed me to free up some bandwidth because I am now able to get a refresh rate somewhere around 64hz. I set the VP for 1080p/24 from the Blu Ray and outputting 817p/60hz locked. The flicker that my wife saw is now gone. However, she still doesn't like it because she says it looks too sharp! I told her she would hate a digital projector then. I'm still playing around with this so I'm not sure what I'm doing as usual. It does look pretty good at this resolution though. Seeing as how almost every Blu Ray movie I have is 2.35:1 it only makes sense I suppose. I have the VP50 setup for 2.35:1 active area aspect ratio.
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MikeEby
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Too Sharp! 
I assume the VP-50 crops out some of the menus when it's in 2:35 AR Mode? This would be the only thing I don't like about a CIH setup.
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| MikeEby wrote: | Too Sharp!
I assume the VP-50 crops out some of the menus when it's in 2:35 AR Mode? This would be the only thing I don't like about a CIH setup.
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Yep. A minor inconvenience I suppose and one I'm willing to live with considering the quality of the image.
Question. Part of what my wife did not like about this setup was the color seemed a bit off. I have done grayscale calibration on my 1080i entry. Are those adjustments global or do I need to do grayscale for this 1080p and or 817p entry? I'm thinking I do need to do grayscale again.
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MikeEby
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I think you will just need to do grey scale again. I don't think the setting carry forward. Doug would know for sure but he appears to be MIA.
I’m actually envious of your VP-50/Moome combo. Had I not already spend the money on an HTPC and found the deal on the VP-50 earlier I might have the same setup as you. The 817 resolution your running sounds intriguing. How bad is 60hz judder. The 3:2 pulldown from the VP-50 I saw at Cliff's was impressive, I really didn’t notice judder.
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| MikeEby wrote: | I think you will just need to do grey scale again. I don't think the setting carry forward. Doug would know for sure but he appears to be MIA.
I’m actually envious of your VP-50/Moome combo. Had I not already spend the money on an HTPC and found the deal on the VP-50 earlier I might have the same setup as you. The 817 resolution your running sounds intriguing. How bad is 60hz judder. The 3:2 pulldown from the VP-50 I saw at Cliff's was impressive, I really didn’t notice judder.
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Mike,
With my standard review fare (Fifth Element), judder was non existent and the flicker I saw at 48hz is gone too. It's thanks to you and Gary that I went with the VP50 and Moome card. I can only imagine what it would all look like in the hands of someone more capable like yourself or the other XG veterans. I'm a bit of a slow learner it seems and I have been taking baby steps for years now. It has been a fun ride though...most of the time.
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | MikeEby wrote: | I think you will just need to do grey scale again. I don't think the setting carry forward. Doug would know for sure but he appears to be MIA.
I’m actually envious of your VP-50/Moome combo. Had I not already spend the money on an HTPC and found the deal on the VP-50 earlier I might have the same setup as you. The 817 resolution your running sounds intriguing. How bad is 60hz judder. The 3:2 pulldown from the VP-50 I saw at Cliff's was impressive, I really didn’t notice judder.
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Mike,
With my standard review fare (Fifth Element), judder was non existent and the flicker I saw at 48hz is gone too. It's thanks to you and Gary that I went with the VP50 and Moome card. I can only imagine what it would all look like in the hands of someone more capable like yourself or the other XG veterans. I'm a bit of a slow learner it seems and I have been taking baby steps for years now. It has been a fun ride though...most of the time. |
i'm glad everything worked out for you dude, pleased to hear it
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CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!
I just finished assembling and hanging a new fixed screen. Filled in and insulated the window behind it. Changed the red tube in the XG, hung the projector back on the ceiling. I was all ready to get started on setup again when my VP50 started flaking out. I'm not sure what is going on but basically the splash screen on the unit is lit and flashes every few seconds. The power LED barely lights for a split second and goes out. Buttons and commands are unresponsive on the unit. I tried unplugging it and plugging back in, same thing. Just great...
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| dropzone7 wrote: | CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!
I just finished assembling and hanging a new fixed screen. Filled in and insulated the window behind it. Changed the red tube in the XG, hung the projector back on the ceiling. I was all ready to get started on setup again when my VP50 started flaking out. I'm not sure what is going on but basically the splash screen on the unit is lit and flashes every few seconds. The power LED barely lights for a split second and goes out. Buttons and commands are unresponsive on the unit. I tried unplugging it and plugging back in, same thing. Just great... |
Me guess power supply.....
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| wallace123456 wrote: | | dropzone7 wrote: | CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!
I just finished assembling and hanging a new fixed screen. Filled in and insulated the window behind it. Changed the red tube in the XG, hung the projector back on the ceiling. I was all ready to get started on setup again when my VP50 started flaking out. I'm not sure what is going on but basically the splash screen on the unit is lit and flashes every few seconds. The power LED barely lights for a split second and goes out. Buttons and commands are unresponsive on the unit. I tried unplugging it and plugging back in, same thing. Just great... |
Me guess power supply.....
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I hope you are right Don. From what I have read the power supplies can be problematic with these things. Figures. Now that I have made some changes and was just looking forward to doing a setup again and enjoying my results this crap happens. I will be on the phone with DVDO first thing in the morning to see what they think.
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Great...Anchor Bay doesn't open until 9:00 PT so I get to sit here and stew until lunch time. I'm hoping they will send me a freebie power supply and I can just pay for next day shipping. If not then I may still spring for two day because I want to get this thing going again.
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Well, I got a replacement power supply today. Apparently that was not the problem. More waiting...
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| dropzone7 wrote: | | Well, I got a replacement power supply today. Apparently that was not the problem. More waiting... |
Bummer and sorry to hear. 
Are you going the unit back?
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| wallace123456 wrote: | | dropzone7 wrote: | | Well, I got a replacement power supply today. Apparently that was not the problem. More waiting... |
Bummer and sorry to hear.
Are you going the unit back?
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Yeah, I got an RMA yesterday and returned the unit to Anchor Bay for repair. They say it will be covered under warranty so at least that is good news. I just have to do without out for a few weeks most likely.
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I emailed ABT today to check on status of my repair. I was told that they have not been able to reproduce the problem I described. They say that they are able to run a video signal through it with no problem and it's not flashing the error message that I got before. Strange. They are going to do some more testing and load the latest firmware version. Not sure when I will get it back but at least it's being tested so hopefully the wait won't be long.
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I got my VP50 back yesterday, updated with the latest firmware and not having the issues I had a few weeks ago. So everything seems almost back to normal when I notice something that may have nothing to do with the VP50 but it has me puzzled. I have been using the Moome XGHDMI card for a while now and it has two LED's that say "10 bit" and "12 bit". I also use a hushbox so I'm not used to seeing the lights on the card that often. After a recent tube change, setup and the VP50 going crazy I had to take the hushbox down for maintenance. Anyway, while the VP50 was away I went back to just running the HDMI cable directly to the Moome card, bypassing the VP50 since it was being repaired. While viewing my Blu Ray source this way I noticed that the "12 bit" light on the Moome card was illuminated. I didn't think much of it just assuming that it was always lit before and I just couldn't see it because of the hushbox. Well, last night I put the VP50 back in the chain and using the same sources as before I don't get the "12 bit" or the "10 bit" LED on the Moome card. Is there some reason this should be happening?
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Well crap. I guess I'm on the hunt for a new processor now. It seems that the VP50 is now the weak link in my video chain. I got the following response from DVDO regarding my questions.
"The VP50 cannot support deep color because it is not HDMI 1.3.
You are correct in that EDGE cannot output a custom framerate, such as 72Hz.
Regarding Deep Color and you CRT projector, there are few factors to consider. From your description, it appears that the HDMI card can accept Deep Dolor. The question is what it does to it. Will the card digital-to-analog converter maintain deep color?"
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As of right now I don't think any blu-rays support deep color...So it would not be important. Perhaps someone will chime in if I'm wrong.
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