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armstrr · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 160

have there been any newer blu ray players announced that will send the native info to the lumagen? preferably on the cheaper side of things... (ok, i'm not talking magnavox/memorex)

Does the sony mentioned above send dvd out through hdmi at 480i?

can the PS3 do this natively?

I think i read that there is a pioneer

thanks!!

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

The only Player I know of that you can fool the lumagen to sending 480i out HDMI is the LG BH100 and possible the LG BH200 they have a new Blu Ray player only the BD300. This may work also. Person99 and I are using it this way. if you only pic 1080p input for the LG then with Sd DVD it for some reason outputs 480i to the HDMI. before it switch to default 480p out. I havnt touched it in a while but I am sure this is how it I have it set up. I think its in here somewhere, do a search for it.

Athansios

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

First, very few players output 480i via HDMI. Some of the Oppos do if you want a DVD only solution. The PS3 will not do this.

Yes, what Athansios said. I'm going to get a BH200 and try it with that (it appears it may have slightly better playback than the BH100--which is actually quite good). If you set up the Lumagen's EDID for the input that the LG is connected to, to say it only supports 1080p/24, then you'll get that on blu-rays, and on DVDs it will fall back to the lowest (480i) because it assumes the display "must" be able to handle that. The only issue is, many menus on BDs are not authored for 1080p/24, so your blu-ray will fall back to 480i also, so you'll need to hit the LG "resolution" button to get it back to 1080p.

One thing to note on the BH100 and BH200: they do 1080p/24 but they do not do 1080p/60. This is fine if going to a scaler. Also, the do not play back CDs if you want your player to do that.

Athansios turned me on to these players and I continue to be delighted with them. IMO, after having compared, the playback is superior to the PS3 and they have a proper IR remote!

armstrr · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 160

i got this email regarding the pioneer 51fd... something you guys might be interested in checking out. if you have a capable receiver, this one can be controlled through hdmi...

The 480i HDMI output is nice for DVDs, as is the automatic 1080i output for interlaced Blu-ray discs. No other player under a grand can do that. In addition to that the Pioneer's build quality & audio DACs are much better than other players under a grand. Also while it probably wont be as good as your lumagen, with the 1.17 firmware the internal upscaling on the 51fd is better than hqv reon, which is pretty darn good - but again with this player you can bypass that.

thanks for your help so far guys. i got my 9500lc up and running and have had some fantastic results. i will be picking your brains shortly when i start to set up memory blocks and calibrate.

i have noticed that some OTA shows from my TIVOHD look amazing, others have sparklies, like dancing with stars, and Fringe. the whites of peoples eyes almost have an un-natural glow or something. could it be because of these stations (i think FOX) transmit in a different resolution than most others? ie 720p rather than 1080i? or how it is shot? film vs video?

anyway, i'll have lots more questions to come.

WTS · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary

Fox transmits in 720i. I guess they're cheaper than most.

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

WTS · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary

No I mean 720i as that's what shows up as, yes ESPN is 720P and CBS/NBC is 1080i. This is on Dish.

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

ecrabb · Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject:

Walter, in the years since I started reading about and playing with HD (6+ now), I've never heard of anybody broadcasting nor any device displaying 720i. More specifically, Fox does not broadcast anything called "720i".

I don't have Dish - what do you mean by "that's what it shows up as"?

SC

WTS · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary

I hear you guys, but on my sat box it shows what format each channel is broadcast in and the Fox stations come in as 720i, all the rest are 720p/1080i. I thought it was odd too but that's what they show up as not just one or 2 of them but all Fox, what can I say, of course the satbox outputs in what ever you want 480i/720p/1080i.

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

For that Pioneer, I dont like the sound of this:

armstrr · Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Posts: 160

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Not sure, but i do think some of the pioneers also use the Qdeo technology also. Its not a bad thing either, i have seen the reon chip blu rays and I think Qdeo is a better approach just by what I see on the screen. Like Dave I had my freind PS3 here and we both agreed the LG looked much better, and i also borrowed his first gen Sony player (forgot the model but i remember it was one heavy thing) and the LG was much better than that, actually the PS3 was even better.

Athanasios

WTS · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 1276 Location: Calgary

So are you guys actually using any of the processing utilized by the Qdeo chipset or just passing straight thru?

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

Walter I did some reasearch and cant find out if the BH100 is using the Qdeo, i know for sure its in the BH200 and I put both in my system and they both look great, so form that i assume the BH100 has it but it has no user controls like the BH200 does, I have not played with the controls on the BH200, i just used the default. It is not in my system so I cant check , I like the analog outs of the BH100(Bh200 is HDM and Digital audio only) since i do not have an HDMI audio preamp.

Athanasios