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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:17 pm    Post subject:

The Moome 1.3 card is here. Less than a week from overseas Thumbs Up

Thank you for your fast shipping Moome Mr. Green

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject:

dturco wrote:
The Moome 1.3 card is here. Less than a week from overseas Thumbs Up

Thank you for your fast shipping Moome Mr. Green

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject:

mp20748 wrote:

I'm not at liberty to discuss what has been going on between me and Moome. But what I can say is, a lot of testing was done over the past two months with these cards by both Moome, myself and one other person. So much so, that even if you ran the cards using batteries (totally noiseless supply), you would not see a difference in the image.

So I am the other person. I identified an issue with the card and Mike and I discussed it. I presented data to Mike. Mike in turn designed a circuit to fix the issue. He shared the modification with me and I applied it to a Sony version I have here of the FULLHD. The changes fixed the specific problems that I identified and I have data to support it.

Walt, I will say for sure that what Mike and I worked on has nothing to do with gamma or pedestal. It is unrelated and a separate mod. The mod Mike and I worked on was related to bandwidth. Here are some images before and after Mikes basic mods showing a 1080p 60Hz burst.

http://www.cir-engineering.com/bin/moome_mod/before_rgb.JPG

http://www.cir-engineering.com/bin/moome_mod/before_green.JPG

http://www.cir-engineering.com/bin/moome_mod/after_rgb.JPG

http://www.cir-engineering.com/bin/moome_mod/after_green.JPG

As you can see, there was terrible attenuation before and now there is none in the card.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:27 pm    Post subject:

FYI: The new "modified" V2 versions of the IFB-FULLHD cards (as well as Moome's other cards) will soon be up for sale here. Just waiting on some extra information from Moome including pricing.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject:

CIR Engineering wrote:
Here are some images before and after Mikes basic modes showing a 1080p 60Hz burst.
craigr
what are we looking for here, I don't see anything different?
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
CIR Engineering wrote:
Here are some images before and after Mikes basic modes showing a 1080p 60Hz burst.
craigr
what are we looking for here, I don't see anything different?


Its difficult to tell Drag but if you look at the bottom left 1:1 on the before its not as bright, on the after its brighter. That is what TSE's peaking circuit looks like when you adjust the trim pot. when you get it just right the one box springs to life , if you go too much you get a redish color shift in the 1:1 patterns. Although it seems the vertical lines lost some sharpness while giving sharpness to the horizontal. ???

I should be getting a test sample from Moome of his new marquee VIM-HD when they are ready so I'll be able to
see first hand.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject:

draganm wrote:
CIR Engineering wrote:
Here are some images before and after Mikes basic modes showing a 1080p 60Hz burst.
craigr
what are we looking for here, I don't see anything different?

You don't see a totally different frequency response between the before and after? Look at the 1:1 1080p burst. Before it is dim and after it is bright. All frequencies should show full response and be equally bright. The burst is attenuated before the mods and is fully resolved after the mods.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject:

kal wrote:
FYI: The new "modified" V2 versions of the IFB-FULLHD cards (as well as Moome's other cards) will soon be up for sale here. Just waiting on some extra information from Moome including pricing.

Kal


I just received the 1.3 card, whats going on? Does it have the new revisions or am I going to have to send it back to be UPDATED?

I haven't even installed it yet, what gives?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject:

Also, those photos are not the best because I didn't use a tripod so I might have shaken the camera while taking them Laughing

Another note, I was holding my camera at 180 degrees so the horizontal and vertical are swapped. I didn't want to edit the photos to rotate them with software after I took them because I didn't want to ad artifacts to the image due to an edit. Those are unedited and the only artifacts will have come from the JPG conversion.

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:59 pm    Post subject:

Here is an image for the less astute observer Mr. Green

I took the RGB images from above, rotated them to the proper orientation, and cut out only the 1:1 part of the burst. Again this 1:1 1080p 60Hz, and the images are otherwise unedited.



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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:08 pm    Post subject:

Yepp I knew they were rotated. it does look though there was some give and take on vertical and Horizontal on sharpness, in the end it evened out for more even bandwidth as you san tell the horizontal lines are over attenuated possibly giving a false sense of sharpness. Am i somewhat correct Craig?

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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject:

it does look like there's some roll-off in horizontal? Vertical looks much better though,
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Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject:

Actually, it is my hand shaking slightly when I took the photo that makes the lines appear softer on the modded board. This is a shot on the screen, so the projected light level for the camera was kinda low and my camera kind stinks. If I had put the camera on a tripod, the vertical and horizontal lines in the modded burst would have looked as sharp as the horizontal lines on the unmodded board.

I took three photos before and after the mod, then just picked the clearest of the three. My hand was just steadier for the unmodified shot that I took first. I think the most important information to take from the photos is how much brighter the vertical 1:1 got after the mod.

...and just in case you are wondering, there is NO ringing at all from the board Smile

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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject:

That pattern looks really good Craig. I would've had the gamma board finished by now, but had to go on the road this week. Will finish it up tomorrow tough.





Nashou66 wrote:
Yepp I knew they were rotated. it does look though there was some give and take on vertical and Horizontal on sharpness, in the end it evened out for more even bandwidth as you san tell the horizontal lines are over attenuated possibly giving a false sense of sharpness. Am i somewhat correct Craig?

Athanasios(Tom)


The horizontal part of that pattern represents FOCUS (or camera) more so than bandwidth or attenuation. It's the vertical lines that determine where things are bandwidth wise, and the attenuation would show up with the lines being DARKER and smeared or blurry.


It's best to use the horizontal lines for reference (along with the vertical) for when the projector is setup properly for this test.

A well setup projector that's not really capable of resolving the bandwidth put into it, could easily show the horizontal lines perfectly, but it will never do the same with the vertical lines, mainly because they are what challenges the horizontal scan and that's what determines the bandwidth capability.
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:21 am    Post subject:

Introducting the latest version of Moome's HDMI card for Marquee CRT projectors: The VIM-FULLHD v2!

The new version 2 card includes special Mike Parker improvements for greater sharpness, higher bandwidth, less noise, and more!
Currently on sale as well but only for the first 10 orders (ships late October).

See the order page for full details: http://www.curtpalme.com/VIM-FULLHD.shtm



How does the new VIM-FULLHD version 2 card compare to the original?

Complete information on the changes can be found in the Moome v2 card comparison document (PDF format). Below is a quick summary:

Gamma: Improved Gamma for more linear greyscale (changes suggested by Walter/WTS)
Sharpness: Sharper Image (changes suggested by Mike Parker)
Picture purity: Cleaner/Less noise (changes suggested by Mike Parker)
Super White: Now Supports Super White for higher dynamic range
Stability: ESD enhanced to prevent electrostatic discharge

Manual

The VIM-FULLHD v2 user manual/data sheet can be found here. (PDF format)

Reviews/Testimonials

"Moome's original design squashed (attenuated) 65% of the full bandwidth when running 1080p 60Hz. With Mike's new circuit, the FULLHD v2 now can resolve the entire 1080p 60Hz signal. With Moome's new design his card is the first and only option that can do full 1080p and YCbCr... the image is amazing!" - Craig Rounds, official FULLHD v2 tester, professional calibrator (www.cir-engineering.com)

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:49 am    Post subject:

Kal is it the first 10 or first 20 orders?

This is sooooo tempting!!

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:24 am    Post subject:

Well.. I´m hoping that i got one off those to replace that card that arrived in little pieces Smile
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject:

1031 wrote:
Well.. I´m hoping that i got one off those to replace that card that arrived in little pieces Smile



Lets hope the post office in Finland has a better day when your package arrives.

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject:

AnalogRocks wrote:
Kal is it the first 10 or first 20 orders?

This is sooooo tempting!!

First 10 orders for the Marquee VIM-FULLHD v2, first 20 orders for the Sony IFB-FULLHD v2.

Did I get that backwards somewhere?

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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject:

Well I ordered one, too tempting. Thats my holiday savings gone Sad
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