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[Kangas1000]

Hi,

I am a 39 years old swede and new on this forum and after a small talk whit well known Kal here at the forum I now got a few more ideas on this CRT thing. I have a Barco Cine 6 whiteout any good installation information or tech.

I have tried to learn my CRT in 2.5 years now and now I am starting to get somewhere

So.. Because this forum have very little on the Cine 6 model I am starting this thread..

First thing I going to put out is a link to a location that have information of the Barco Cine models maybe this link already exist here somewhere at the forum but it´s a fresh start for me and a thing to say so here it is. I find it yesterday so it´s new for me too..

http://www.cineversum.com/homecinema/en/support/pg000012.htm

I have learn that the Cine 5 and 6 are very alike... an Cine 7 and above is more alike.

Al good things you know of Cine 6 like Electrical Focus and G2 or just some tips and tricks..
please let me know..

Good for you there are a spellcheck here

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[Ile]

Cine6 have smallest noise level of Barco projectors because there is no fans, other Barcos have two or more fans.
It have liquid coupled optics, that is pretty rare for 7" ES-focus projector.

How does 1080i look, since Cine6 bandwidth is only 20MHz?

Read that installation manual on your link and you can use general setup and adjustment info for ES-focus projectors.
http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTSetupGuide.shtm
http://www.curtpalme.com/Advanced_Procedures.shtm

[Kangas1000]

I just ordered a HDFury so I can test 1080i

Kal told me that 1080i is 34 khz and Cine 6 can handle 38 Khz (or was it Khz?)
Anyway I going to test it as fast as I can...

What is bandwith 20 Mhz against ... 100 Mhz?

Can you put it so I can understand it easy?

and what is really "ES-Focus"?

[Brooklyn]

Bandwidth specs determine what resolution/refresh rate the project can handle. Your 38mhz bandwidth is just barely enough for a 1080i picture. More bandwidth is always better. 20mhz can run 480i and maybe 480p picture. 100mhz can run 1080p+

ES focus is an older method of focus, as opposed to EM focus. ES focus CRT's will become soft or blurry as they get more hours on them. EM focus tubes are sharper, and as they get older do not tend to become soft like ES tubes do.

[Kangas1000]

What does a lower Mhz do to the pictures..
Is it like the Pal 50Hz and NTSC 60Hz and then the 100 hz or is it something els? Like a dubbler maby?

I sure hope I can run 1080i now ... thats was the thing I wanted to do.. thats why I ordered HDFury.

any suggestion?

I run Cine6 now whit Component to a Iscan Pro and then to VGA-5 BNC

Should I stick to that and not use HDfury instead?

[Brooklyn]

No, you can still use the HD-Fury. Are you running 1080i via component? You should be able to if your source allows it.

The refresh rates (50,60hz) for ntsc and pal are not the same as video bandwidth specs. Actually looking at the Cine 6 specs on this site, it says 20mhz video bandwidth but with a 38khz horizontal scan rate, which greater than the required 36khz scan rate required for 1080i. So you should be able to run 1080i, however how the picture will look with only a 20mhz bandwidth is questionable.

Edit: This site claims at only 22mhz bandwidth, 1080i still looked superb, so you may be fine.

http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/bandwid.htm

[kal]

I'll look great at 1080i even though the bandwidth may be limited.

For ES vs EM description (and more) see the CRT Primer: http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTPrimer.shtm

Kal

[kal]

I'll look great at 1080i even though the bandwidth may be limited.

For ES vs EM description (and more) see the CRT Primer: http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTPrimer.shtm

Kal

[Kangas1000]

THX Brooklyn and Kal...

Really nice to get som answer..

I dont really understand that tech thing of mhz and Khz
But if 37 Khz in practice and I got 38... I am on the edge:-) Enough.. but still on the edge!

Ok this is going to be fun... gonna be a sleepless night.. My work ends 00:20 am and its 11 pm here in sweden now..
and the clock is standing still!!!!

Actually I also want to use my PS3 on the system.. so I need the HDfury-HDMI connection.. to stream musik and stuff to soo I actually hope this is a good thing.

I guess my Convergence and settings is gona go crazy when I change input...

So back to squere 1 .. again:-)

[Brooklyn]

Yeap you will likely have to redo convergence settings. While you are at it, you might want to consider if full setup from scratch.

http://www.curtpalme.com/CRTSetupGuide.shtm

[Kangas1000]

Yes I try to startover every time I got a change in the system...
It´s going faster an faster for everytime and a bit better.. My first time take almost 2 weeks to get a picture to look at at al... At that time I didn´t got any remote.. so I run to screen and back a lot of time..

Now I got problem whit the middle section .. I got a small thing .. stripe going across the screen...

I hope I not get it this time...

How far out of the screen area are I set the grid? A few inch? Never done that before.. so I guess I can "blanc" the bad corners I got instead?

[Kangas1000]

OK now I have connected HDfury in my system....

WORKED from the first test:-)

I played a Blu-Ray disc(Casino Royale the only one I got:-)) and WOW it is a really big difference.
And still I dont have done the convergence stuff.. or any adjustments at al:-)
This is going to be good.. very good!!!

BUT!! of course there are a but!

I played Blu-Ray works fine.. VERY fine:-)

I played a PAL original DVD and I hade to "H-phase" the picture a lot to the right... down to almost zero.. Is that good?
and the picture is not filling out the whole screen.. can I do something about that?

I played a Import DVD from US and it worked fine! Not as good as BD disc of corse:-)

I played BioShock Demo om PS3´n and it did very well indeed!
I tryed to play NHL 09, Tiger Woods 09 , Star Wars new game what name it now has... and it did not work.
It started to clatter/rattle in Cine6 fast...so I have to turn it off...

What can that be? Why Did BioShock work and none of the other game demos?

I tryed Gran Turismo Prologe Orginal game PAL version and it worked fine as well...

[AnalogRocks]

[AnalogRocks]

[kal]

[kal]

[donaldk]

[perisoft]

That's a kind of nifty-looking projector. Although I did think of this when I saw it...

[Kangas1000]

Yes it is a Small and quet little CRT:-)
But I love it... Ok it´s not the best.. But NO fans... thats really something:-)

I´ll check the 720p thing becuase the 1080p option is not checked.. and most of the game is not 1080p .. Right?

[Kangas1000]

By the Way...

Am I the only one whit this Cine 6 model?

Am I sooo Out of date:-)

[Kangas1000]

AHHH THX guy´s..
I checked out 720p and now it works...

Sooo.... Move on to the next problem apear...

Of course a question poped out immediate.. What would I use to extender cabel?

the length is abot 5 M not over!

HDMI to DVI adapter is the first thing I have... then what?

DVI, VGA or HDMI... What is the best an second best?

[Kangas1000]

I got over a 5M HDMI in about 60 $ class... I´ll try this one first until I know whitch one is the best.

I have got quite a problem whit the left side special the upper left side of the screen.. Convergence is hard to get..
Then I feel like my blue focus is a bit blurry...

I guess it shold be a bit blurry but how mutch?

[Kangas1000]

I have a problem whit PAL discs... I have to move H-phase down to zero.. Is that bad for the projector?
Is it so that if you run a 4:3 movie it giva automaticly 4:3 picture or does it drawing out picture on whole screen?

Something I should be x-tra careful whit on the setting of these kind of problem?