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horizontal banding/darkening on marquee8000 only with hd
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Nashou66



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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:23 am    Post subject:

I found that certain high frequency signals would cause my image to get these black dark streaks across the screen with my 8000 vim, with a sd dvd source it would not happen, it didnt happen at first it happened after some time like yours, one day it worked the next it didnt. there is a circuit on the Vim that could act like an am antena and it could be the cause TSE explained this to me.Maybe over time this circuit gest weak and picks up the signals more easily, the only way to know for sure is to test voltages on the vim at certain locations and to do that you need an extender card. Try the 8110's VIM and see what happens.

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject:

snkby wrote:
the reason i dont think its the vim on the 8000 causing the problems with hd is because it also happens with the secondary vim.
there is no "secondary VIM" Wink The secondary input slot uses the same primary circuitry as input 01. You could always try the 8110 VIM in the 8000 but it's waste, like putting Premuim unleaded in a Geo Metro. You would lose all the improvements in the 8110 like 2-4-6 pole flare rings, increased geomerty controls like Linearity,and an extra 200 lumens to name a few.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject:

I told him to test the vim on the 8000 so if he wanted he could buy a chaep vim from curt for it and then onec he solved the 8000 problem he can concentrate to get the 8110 up and running and use the 8000 as a test machine for when and if anyhting goes wrong int he 8110 later.

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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
I told him to test the vim on the 8000 so if he wanted he could buy a chaep vim from curt for it and then onec he solved the 8000 problem he can concentrate to get the 8110 up and running and use the 8000 as a test machine for when and if anyhting goes wrong int he 8110 later.

Athanasios
well there's certainly nothing worng with that, The 8000 is not a bad machine. I just have trouble seeing them as anything but organ donors with the 8110/8500 chassis so plentiful. I have a couple of good 8000 VIMS here for cheap if he needs one. Also, there's a contrast modulation board for the 8110 on flea bay now but I would wait until he relists it for less than 50 bucks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Electrohome-Marquee-8500-Color-Correction-Board_W0QQitemZ160290087170QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160290087170&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A10%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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snkby



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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:50 am    Post subject:

eureka!!!!!!!!

i freaking discovered how to make the banding at will!!!

just for kicks tonight i checked the p14 voltage in my 8000 that i have been using for a couple of years.

it was 6.58v!!!!!!

so i lowered it to 6.35v.

then i thought.......what the hell......lets hook-up the hd video chain and see if it made any difference.

no difference and still had banding on 02.

so i switched the hd video chain to 01 which had been setup again for the htpc and no!! banding but the image needed to be shifted right because of the poor hd fury design.

so as i shifted the horizontal phase past 53 it started to get darker and the banding appeared and i thought maybe its just a coincidence but as i went below 53 it got brighter and clear!!!

<53 beautiful.......54>banding!!!

so............aside from getting the -new- hd fury how do i shift the image enough and not incur banding or dimming ?

i remember when i had just 1 hd video source and was trying to get it all setup that when i shifted the image right it did get a bit dimmer and i had to increase briteness/contrast and i had always been wanting to ask why that happens.

thanks for all the help so far everyone!!!

im still going to concentrate on the 8110 as primary pj but its really nice to have gotten this problem at least figured if not resolved and have a working pj again for hd. Smile

for now i can live with the image 1"left of the screen and i might just blank it for now.
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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject:

snkby wrote:


so............aside from getting the -new- hd fury how do i shift the image enough and not incur banding or dimming ?

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Nashou66



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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject:

Sounds like you need to do a magnetics set up, i am able to set phase to 60 with not streaks(banding).

Read tech tips 9 and 10.

http://www.etechvideo.com/techtips.htm


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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject:

as you approach 60 does the image get dimmer ?
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Nashou66



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Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject:

snkby wrote:
as you approach 60 does the image get dimmer ?


Nope.

Athanasios

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snkby



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Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject:

does the p14 mod apply only to pjs that have the grey mexico trimpot ?

whats the purpose of cutting the trace and putting the 470ohm resistor in series with the 20ohm trimpot ?

could i just cut the trace and install the 470ohm resistor with the blue trimpot that was already in there ?

thanks.
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Nashou66



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Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject:

snkby wrote:
does the p14 mod apply only to pjs that have the grey mexico trimpot ?

whats the purpose of cutting the trace and putting the 470ohm resistor in series with the 20ohm trimpot ?

could i just cut the trace and install the 470ohm resistor with the blue trimpot that was already in there ?

thanks.


No I think the actual value to get the proper 6.37 volts is 483 ohms or some where near that, i cant remeber.
But its hard t find an exact resistor of that value that is spot on in actual value with no margin of error. The 20 Ohm trim pot allows you to get the voltage spot on and if it fails t will not go to over voltage, unlike if you used a 500 ohm trim pot.

Dont worrry about the side trim pot as I still had to keep removing my LVPS to adjust it(getting to it from the side can be hard too if you dont have the right tool)

Athanasios

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