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n737nc



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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Need help....Whats so great about CRT?

New guy here, and need some guidance.

I've always been a plasma/LCD flat panel owner, and recently purchased a used Panasonic AE900U. I absolutely love the image size, and want to move up to the next level in image quality.

My choices are buying a used CRT, or a newer digital 1080p projector. I understand that the CRT's will require more tweaking to get it right. But is it worth it?

2 projectors that I'm looking at are:
Marquee 8110 with 1400 original hours on chassis/tubes
Marquee 8500 with 400 hours on tubes, unknown amount of hours on the chassis.

Both are priced about the same.

I know both of these CRT's are capable of 1080p images. But, how will they compare to the digital 1080p image?

Room will be totally light controlled. Dedicated room. Dimensions are 18x14x8. Not sure about ceiling mounting it. So on the floor may be the best solution for me. I do not mind learning and taking the time to do the tweaking if it will give me an outstanding image.

So which would be better? Digital or CRT? If CRT, which one of these Marquee's should I go for? Also, is 106" screen too much to ask for from either of these projectors?

Sorry for all the questions. Just trying to get some education under my belt before I make a impulse buy.


Thanks,
Nick
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emdawgz1



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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject:

What's so great about CRT???


Nothing, go away, mind your Business.

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n737nc



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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject:

emdawgz1 wrote:
What's so great about CRT???


Nothing, go away, mind your Business.


Ok, didn't expect a response like that.

Guess thanks for your time then Rolling Eyes But why do you have to be such an ass about it? Thumbs Down
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dropzone7



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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject:

emdawgz1 wrote:
What's so great about CRT???


Nothing, go away, mind your Business.


Ah, come on John. One day you will get that XG mounted and you too can sing the praises of CRT. So what's the hold up?


To the original poster, all I can say is do all the reading you can and then buy a projector in as good condition as you can afford. You don't have to spend much these days to get a really nice machine. I don't know much about the Marquees but many here do so I'm sure they will chime in. Your room being totally light controlled and dedicated to HT make it a good candidate for CRT in my opinion. If you prefer a "film like" image with accurate flesh tones and excellent fade to black transitions then you will notice a difference going from LCD/DLP to a CRT projector. Honestly, I plan on staying CRT for as long as I can keep it running and as long as parts are around. You say you don't mind tweaking which makes you even more suited to CRT. It's not "plug and play" and the more time and effort you put into it the better your image will be. Each time I set mine up it gets a little better.

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Need help....Whats so great about CRT?

n737nc wrote:
New guy here, and need some guidance.
welcome new guy, guidance you will get but ultimately you need to see a CRT firstahand.
n737nc wrote:
I've always been a plasma/LCD flat panel owner, and recently purchased a used Panasonic AE900U. I absolutely love the image size, and want to move up to the next level in image quality.
My choices are buying a used CRT, or a newer digital 1080p projector. I understand that the CRT's will require more tweaking to get it right. But is it worth it?
2 projectors that I'm looking at are:
Marquee 8110 with 1400 original hours on chassis/tubes
Marquee 8500 with 400 hours on tubes, unknown amount of hours on the chassis.
Both are priced about the same.
I know both of these CRT's are capable of 1080p images. But, how will they compare to the digital 1080p image?
Which 1080P digital, and RS1 or a cheapo Epson? I would choose the 8500 over the Espon but the RS1 will beat those machines in many ways. Keep in mind that some of HDMI input device is mandatory for the Marquee so add $400. for that. Also, many people think color filtered lenses for the marquee are a must so add another $400. for that upgrade.
n737nc wrote:
Also, is 106" screen too much to ask for from either of these projectors?
106" wide or diagonal. 106" wide is too big, 92" wide is max IMO.

n737nc wrote:
Room will be totally light controlled. Dedicated room. Dimensions are 18x14x8. Not sure about ceiling mounting it. So on the floor may be the best solution for me. I do not mind learning and taking the time to do the tweaking if it will give me an outstanding image.
So which would be better? Digital or CRT? If CRT, which one of these Marquee's should I go for? Thanks
Nick
there's no way to tell how your eyes work or which pic quality parameters are most important to you. The digitals will be much sharper and twice as bright. The CRT will have more dynamic range and a smoother, film-like image. Check the referal list and try and see a local CRT set-up. If your in CO I'll be happy to show you my well set-up 8500 with HDMI hi-def feed.

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject:

n737nc wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
What's so great about CRT???


Nothing, go away, mind your Business.


Ok, didn't expect a response like that.

Guess thanks for your time then Rolling Eyes But why do you have to be such an ass about it? Thumbs Down


I think that was John's attempt at sarcasm. Really he is a swell guy. Very Happy

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject:

dropzone7 wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
What's so great about CRT???


Nothing, go away, mind your Business.


Ah, come on John. One day you will get that XG mounted and you too can sing the praises of CRT. So what's the hold up?


To the original poster, all I can say is do all the reading you can and then buy a projector in as good condition as you can afford. You don't have to spend much these days to get a really nice machine. I don't know much about the Marquees but many here do so I'm sure they will chime in. Your room being totally light controlled and dedicated to HT make it a good candidate for CRT in my opinion. If you prefer a "film like" image with accurate flesh tones and excellent fade to black transitions then you will notice a difference going from LCD/DLP to a CRT projector. Honestly, I plan on staying CRT for as long as I can keep it running and as long as parts are around. You say you don't mind tweaking which makes you even more suited to CRT. It's not "plug and play" and the more time and effort you put into it the better your image will be. Each time I set mine up it gets a little better.


Just giving the new guy a hard time. If he's gonna enjoy THE BEST PICTURE AVAILABLE IN HOME CINEMA.
He's going to have to get a thick skin and get used to setbacks.

We all know thats true.

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject:

n737nc wrote:
Guess thanks for your time then Rolling Eyes But why do you have to be such an ass about it? Thumbs Down
this forum is actually the best CRT place bar none and most people will bend over backwards to help. You have to look past a few warts though. Wink
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject:

He should also get a sense when someone is being SARCASTIC.

Cool

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject:

Screen would be 106" diagonal

Is that too large? How about using it on the floor?
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n737nc



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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject:

emdawgz1 wrote:
He should also get a sense when someone is being SARCASTIC.

Cool


I can tell, I already don't like you Mr. Green
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:40 pm    Post subject:

n737nc wrote:
emdawgz1 wrote:
He should also get a sense when someone is being SARCASTIC.

Cool


I can tell, I already don't like you Mr. Green


Oh! I think John is just grumpy today. I met him a few weeks ago at a CRT meet so I can tell you first hand that he is cool. Thumbs Up

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject:

n737nc wrote:
Screen would be 106" diagonal

Is that too large??
106" diagonal is a small screen, no problem for CRT.

n737nc wrote:
How about using it on the floor
that sucks, I had mine on the floor for a year and it got really old really fast. I will never do that again.
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Curt Palme
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject:

Good screen size. nothing wrong with running it on the floor. I would put up another post to see if someone in Dallas will let you see a projector. I'd prefer the 8500 set, but keep in mind that both sets will need modifications such as the power supply and the V board to make sure you can run it in widescreen mode, and so the power supply doesn't nuke the tubes.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject:

106" diagonal would be fine. Yes you can sit the projector on the floor if you like, but you lose floor space for your theatre. How much you want to spend somewhat dictates what you can get out of a CRT.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject:

Ceiling mount if at all possible. Personally, having a projector on the floor kind of takes away from the "theater" experience. I would just assume have a nice RPTV than to floor mount a CRT. It is a good bit of work but well worth it in the end.
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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject:

Whats so Great???

Scroll thru this thread You Suck!

And see what you think.

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject:

Your post did look a little trollish in nature... Wink

There are about a thousand posts in numerous threads on the CRT vs. digital subject - both here and at AVS. There's plenty of info to find if you're really interested.

- The CRT is not going to be as sharp as the digital. Period. But, most of us here prefer the softer, more film-like image a CRT produces as opposed the hard-edged over-sharp image you get from most digitals. Pixels, bad! Smooth film-like image, good!

- ANSI (in-scene) contrast will be better on the digital, while absolute black and on/off contrast will be superior on the CRT. Most digitals are "fade to grey" devices. A CRT can truly fade to black.

- My opinion differs a little from DraganM. I think 106" diag is perfect for an 8" CRT. My machine looks awesome on that screen size. So, while either are fine for a 106 diag screen, the digital will be brighter than the CRT, and will probably have slightly better uniformity than CRT. Now, the digital is bright but will lose nearly half its brightness the first 500-1000 hours on the bulb. CRT is much more consistent in that regard.

- The digital projector is disposable. When or if it breaks, if it's out of warrant, it will likely be worth nothing or next to nothing. The CRT is repairable, upgradeable, tweak-able.

- The digital is small and relatively quiet, while the CRT is large and not so quiet.

- You can do CIH easily with a digital. Not so much with a CRT.

Also, you will need an HDMI device, but you certainly don't need a $400 card. You can use a <$200 HD Fury and get comparable results, then upgrade to the card later.

You can floor mount, but it just happens to be about the best seat in the house that the projector takes up.

As has been mentioned, you'll just have to see if you can find somebody with a good CRT and go see for yourself what we like so much about them. I can tell you I wouldn't trade my CRT for a 720p, no matter the price.

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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject:

ecrabb wrote:
- My opinion differs a little from DraganM. I think 106" diag is perfect for an 8" CRT. My machine looks awesome on that screen size. So, while either are fine for a 106 diag screen,
no, I said 106" WIDE is too big, which it is. 106 diagonalis a small screen


ecrabb wrote:
the digital will be brighter than the CRT, and will probably have slightly better uniformity than CRT.
the Marquee has contrast modualtion for uniform screen brightness.

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ecrabb wrote:
The digital is small and relatively quiet, while the CRT is large and not so quiet.
the Marquee is pretty quiet, even without a the fan mod. You have a very noisy G70 Wink

ecrabb wrote:
-Also, you will need an HDMI device, but you certainly don't need a $400 card. You can use a <$200 HD Fury and get comparable results, then upgrade to the card later.
SC
The old Fury is not a very good transcoder, it's just cheap. The new Fury looks promising at $250. but we don't know yet if it's as good as the moome devices?
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Brian Hampton



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Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:10 pm    Post subject:

Hello,

I first saw a CRT Front Projector in the early 90's and fell in love with the image quality.

CRT FP's are the most difficult and time consuming projectors to set up (maybe apart from some commercial/industrial projectors that I know nothing about that is.)

So,... If you don't already love CRT image quality... You may save yourself an adventure and pick up a 1080p digital projector and live happily ever after.

But,... If you go see CRT FP and see that a projected image can look more natural and alive then any other type of display device, you may consider the adventure worth while.

CRT FP also has another advantage in that the projectors themselves have build quality you won't find in other display devices and have tube life of 10,000 hours unlike the 2000 bulbs in digital pj's.

-Brian
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