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kal
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Sony BDP-S5000ES Blu-ray player for the rich/uneducated |
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Just read this:
| Quote: | Sony Announces New ES Blu-ray Player
Posted August 28, 2008 08:17 AM
Sony has announced that they will release a new ES-line Blu-ray Disc player promising the ultimate high definition experience to consumers. The Sony BDP-S5000ES will be BD-Live enabled and feature numerous Sony technologies in order to ensure it provides the best audio and video processing of Blu-ray discs.
On the video side, it will feature an HD Reality Enhancer which continually analyzes the video stream to sharpen edges and reduce film grain. It also increases the 8-bit video depth to 14-bit for better color representation. Additional, the player will feature Sony's Super Bit Mapping which smooths color tones to provide the best video possible over an HDMI connection.
For audio, it will feature decoding and bit streaming of all audio formats. The player will have a high-stability Precision Drive HD transport mechanism in the center position, an ultra-rigid frame and beam chassis to reduce vibration and a low-leakage R-Core transformer - all ensuring the best audio performance. To further increase performance, the audio board has been separated from the video board to remove any electronic noise from transferring to the 7.1 analog outs.
As a BD-Live player, it will come with a Ethernet connection and 1GB flash drive. And like the Sony BDP-S350 and upcoming BDP-S550, it will feature the PlayStation 3's XMB menu system.
No pricing or release date has been announced at this time. |
See the part in bold. So it continually adds edge-enhancement and DNR (Digital Noise Reduction). WTF??? The *TWO* things videophiles are fighting right now to keep off Blu-ray discs and Sony comes out with a freakin' player that adds even more ??!?
Another example at how stupid/uneducated the average consumer is. They want all movies (even the 50 year old ones) scraped clean of anything "bad" like film grain so the manufacturers are simply giving us what we want. Sheesh.
Stay away please. Even if the EE and DNR are defeatible, we need to teach manufacturers that we DO NOT want these sorts of video processing 'features' in any player. They just destroy the image quality.
Kal
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Brian Hampton
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Lot of people have the hots for that player actually.
I also didn't like the sound of the extra processing. Shouldn't the goal to be to try to get the version that's encoded on the disc? What has become of the concept of fidelity (as concerned with AV of course.)
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WTS
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Just what we all want, more processing of the signal. I wish everyone in the industry would understand that we don't want any edge enhancing, damn! Actually watching regular dvds wouldn't be too bad if it weren't for the damn edge enhancing.
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kal
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Brian Hampton wrote: | | Lot of people have the hots for that player actually. |
Yes, because it's a high end, full featured Sony ES product.
If you're allowed to disable the EE and DNR then I'm sure it'll be a great blu-ray player, I just don't understand why they put this crap into high end players. Ok, I do understand, it's because the uneducated consumer wants it, but that doesn't mean it's right.
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AnalogRocks
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I have a high end Sony LD player from around 1992. It has 5 "sharpness" settings that would make the 480i scan lines so sharp you could see them from 12 feet on a 27" TV! THe sales man told me this was a "Strong selling point" 
Same old Sony. Some good some bad.
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| Quote: | | Sony BDP-S5000ES Blu-ray player for the rich & uneducate |
Hold on a sec... I'd much rather any DNR take place inside the player than have DNR on the disk!
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kal
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| Axatax wrote: | | Quote: | | Sony BDP-S5000ES Blu-ray player for the rich & uneducated |
Hold on a sec... I'd much rather any DNR take place inside the player than have DNR on the disk! |
Of course! My issue here is that they're only adding DNR to the player because people think it's needed. The more people that buy players with DNR built in, the more they're going to start adding it to discs, and vice versa.
DNR is a BAD thing. It shouldn't be available anywhere.
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WTS
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The question is how do you prevent them from having these functions in future players or having the studios hacking away at the original data. Did someone do a survey and the results showed people want control of these functions in their players?
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kal
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| WTS wrote: | | The question is how do you prevent them from having these functions in future players or having the studios hacking away at the original data. Did someone do a survey and the results showed people want control of these functions in their players? |
No, it's more likely that the mass market wants their Blu-ray movies (even those from 50 year old movies) to look pristine and clean so Sony added DNR to their latest player so the consumers can get what they want even when the studios don't scrub the blu-ray disc "clean".
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Well I guess I'd rather have the functions on the players than the data messed with on the discs providing the added functions can be turned off. I wonder what it would take to convince the studios and even broadcast to get rid of edge enhancing.
If I'm not mistaken the PS3's extra processing can be turned off, right. Interesting how the PS3 still holds its own amounst all the BR players. One guy on AVS who states he's tryed every top line player and says his PS3 is still tops.
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