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| Nashou66 wrote: | Is that a fish tank Pump?!?!!!!! 
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Nah, not that simple.....it's a pump they use in hospitals and labs.... 
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It was a busy day...
(And it's a miracle anyone could ever remove a C-element without destroying the bellow)
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Cleaning....was quite some work
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The red C....and after finishing som foil to avoid dust while drying
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Arno P
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Was wondering if it is sufficient to flush the Green and Blue and refresh the glycol.....or...would it be better to take them apart?
(And flushing....with water or something else?)
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Nashou66
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Arno thats why I told you to take off the back of the LC housing, With it removed you can easily get the metal gasket off and then push the entire bellow with the C Element attached out the front. Then once the C-element and bellow are out you will be able to use a razor blade to separate the Bellow from the C-element, I need to take pics of what I mean. The Lc housing I got form SpeedyAndres has white silicone all over the Bellows inbetween the housings , looks lim,e it was a quick fix for a leak aroud the metal gaskets instead of just tightening them all. Not sure if he did it or it was like that already. But I havent done this yet but am sure its the best way to go for removing the bellow. because once you have room to get to the gasket screws and also now have more room to pry it off the back of the housing you can then push it through the front hole Celement and Bellow.
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Arno P
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | Arno thats why I told you to take off the back of the LC housing, With it removed you can easily get the metal gasket off and then push the entire bellow with the C Element attached out the front. Then once the C-element and bellow are out you will be able to use a razor blade to separate the Bellow from the C-element, I need to take pics of what I mean. The Lc housing I got form SpeedyAndres has white silicone all over the Bellows inbetween the housings , looks lim,e it was a quick fix for a leak aroud the metal gaskets instead of just tightening them all. Not sure if he did it or it was like that already. But I havent done this yet but am sure its the best way to go for removing the bellow. because once you have room to get to the gasket screws and also now have more room to pry it off the back of the housing you can then push it through the front hole Celement and Bellow.
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I see, I see....
But anyhow......got a new bellow in there (sometimes I really do feel lucky )
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Arno P
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| Nashou66 wrote: | to take off the back of the LC housing, With it removed you can easily get the metal gasket off
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But...can it be done with a straight hex-bit or do I need an angled one (any pics?)
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Nashou66
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Easy methode for C-element removal |
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Hi Guys, I found a new way that increases the odds of getting the C-element out with less or no damage to the Bellow.
I first said you take off the back LC housing brace but I was wrong, you need to slide it back to give you more
working room to get of the Bellow from the back of the housing. First you need to remover the
pins that are used for Schliemfluge adjustments(Also keep the C-element ring in place till we get
the Bellow off the back)
Screw in to the pin an allen or other screw that fits the threads And Pry it out,
Prying out screw and pin
Pin Removed
Next remove any screws that hold front housing to back and dont loose the Springs.
So after you remove the screws and the top and bottom pivot plates you can move the
housing back to gibe more room to the bellow screws and for a razor or flat screw driver to help
pry it off after the metal gasket is off.
Lc outer Housing slid back to give more room
More room on top too !!!
Now more room for allen key !!! Woo Hooo!
Remove all allen screws, then pry off metal gasket.
Gasket removal
[img]Now slide gasket out of way to front of housing[/img]
Now carefully remove Bellow from back of face plate with blade to start then finger
or you can use the blade all the way around if its on there good!!
Separating Bellow from face plate
Front of LC housing removed from face plate
Now take off gasket
Next remove C-Element retaining ring.
Now fold over the bellow onto the C-element and push the whole thing trough the
Housing hole, do it carefully, but it should be ok and not rip.
Folding Bellow
C-element still attached to bellow
Now you can much more easily get a blade to the bellow and
C-Element to separate them.
Carefully sliding blade between Bellow and C-element
C-Element removed and no bellow damage !!!!!!
i hope this procedure is easier than trying to take the C-element out while the metal housing
is still in place. I think it is.
Athanasios
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Good job of reverse engineering.
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Arno P
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Very clear, thanks!
Have to get these 90deg allen keys..
By the way, why did you remove the green C from that bellow (replacing it with the new Red?  hope not)?
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| Arno P wrote: | Very clear, thanks!
Have to get these 90deg allen keys..
By the way, why did you remove the green C from that bellow (replacing it with the new Red? hope not)? |
Thanks Arno, I got a set of LC housings from Speedyandre from his toasted Vision One, I am putting in those Hybrid
9 inch tube's with Sony pinouts. I did the neck board Mod but have not been able to test it fully with out an LC housing.
Once i let the Silicone around the tube cure i am going to screw in the bellow add as much glycol through the C-element hole then button it up and fill the rest through the bleed holes. And then test the modded neck board and Hybrid tube .
I hope they work or i'll have to remove it all over again!! I Wish I knew exactly what they used to fill around the tube
after you first adhere it to the tube face plate with RTV, I just used regular grey silicon.
Athanasios
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Arno P wrote: | Very clear, thanks!
Have to get these 90deg allen keys..
By the way, why did you remove the green C from that bellow (replacing it with the new Red? hope not)? |
Thanks Arno, I got a set of LC housings from Speedyandre from his toasted Vision One, I am putting in those Hybrid
9 inch tube's with Sony pinouts. I did the neck board Mod but have not been able to test it fully with out an LC housing.
Once i let the Silicone around the tube cure i am going to screw in the bellow add as much glycol through the C-element hole then button it up and fill the rest through the bleed holes. And then test the modded neck board and Hybrid tube .
I hope they work or i'll have to remove it all over again!! I Wish I knew exactly what they used to fill around the tube
after you first adhere it to the tube face plate with RTV, I just used regular grey silicon.
Athanasios |
Just did the blue tube....without destroying the bellow
For the silicon....it looks that they used black silicone...I used transparant (fingers crossed)
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I also painted the face plate with Black Krylon ultra flat paint, I tested an area with a puddle of the Glycol on it for over 24 hours and it didnt soften so I hope it holds up, the face plates i got had the coating gone in a few a large area exposing the shiny aluminum. so I figured flat black might also help in reflections.
Once its all put together and I test it out for about 24 hours of running I'll report back, probably in a week or two.
Arno, Did you use this new procedure?
Athanasios
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Arno P
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: | I also painted the face plate with Black Krylon ultra flat paint, I tested an area with a puddle of the Glycol on it for over 24 hours and it didnt soften so I hope it holds up, the face plates i got had the coating gone in a few a large area exposing the shiny aluminum. so I figured flat black might also help in reflections.
Once its all put together and I test it out for about 24 hours of running I'll report back, probably in a week or two.
Arno, Did you use this new procedure?
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I thought of painting it black...but too chicken to do so....don't want to open the tubes anymore after this one
Indeed I used your procedure....and if it's up to me...it's released as an official document 
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Be sure to clean the fill-hole screws...otherwise some rust might appear in the glycol....or you'll be trying to suck it back out again like I did with the first tube 
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BUT.....everything was worth the effort :
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nice set-up Arno, I hope to hang mine sometime this winter
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Some fantastic new ideas here guys, really superb stuff
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