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Phil Smith



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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject:

Mark,

It's not about whether SDI is beneficial or not, it's about Gary selling his SDI mod, something he's been told not to do. Selling SDI mods is ALL this thread's about. If he was just sharing with us something he had done for himself, he would gladly tell Walter and Tom how he did it.

Curt,

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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject:

I will buy into this much more then the balance power thing…Sorry Gary for the most part I think that was pure BS.

SDI-HD mods for Blu-ray have merit, if not to just get away from HDCP/HDMI issues. But I would suggest to Gary to try using open source business model, offering the mod in a DIY format plus input from other forum members could only make the product better. Many people would simply not what to mess around with it and would pay Gary for the modifications. I really don’t know what will happen if MPAA finds out about the mod, it’s possible they could shoot you down quickly where if you sold them as kits it could make that much harder to enforces.

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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject:

Phil Smith wrote:
Mark,

It's not about whether SDI is beneficial or not, it's about Gary selling his SDI mod, something he's been told not to do. Selling SDI mods is ALL this thread's about. If he was just sharing with us something he had done for himself, he would gladly tell Walter and Tom how he did it.

Curt,

Well if you don't mind, I don't mind. It's your forum.


why in the world would I tell someone how I accomplished this? I mean really Phil just think about it Laughing

I don't see people demanding that Moome show them how to build HDMI cards? 8) get real dude

I wouldn't tell Walter anyway, he has been nothing but a prick to me in the past, Tom is another thing though, even if I wanted to I can't and like I said this is not something a DIYer can do, not even possible to implement

and for the record selling mods is not what this thread was about because if it was I would gladly say contact me for info

the point is that I would love to deal with Curt and the forum again(everyone on here is not bitter like Phil), but I can see that the forum regulars wouldn't allow me to have a minutes peace here, so it is probably not a good idea anyway Thumbs Up

and please for the last time, stop equating me to the balanced power stuff, that is something I did for all of 3 months, I would prefer to be known for other things I have did for 5+ years

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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject:

MikeEby wrote:
I will buy into this much more then the balance power thing…Sorry Gary for the most part I think that was pure BS.

SDI-HD mods for Blu-ray have merit, if not to just get away from HDCP/HDMI issues. But I would suggest to Gary to try using open source business model, offering the mod in a DIY format plus input from other forum members could only make the product better. Many people would simply not what to mess around with it and would pay Gary for the modifications. I really don’t know what will happen if MPAA finds out about the mod, it’s possible they could shoot you down quickly where if you sold them as kits it could make that much harder to enforces.

Mike


like I said before I dealt in balanced power for all of 3 months and for the record it has proven benefits, ask Mike Parker

concering DIY HD-SDI, that is not possible, end of story, simply can't be done by a end user

the MPAA or HDCP folks don't care about this nor if they did would it mean anything, the HDCP is not defeated with a HD-SDI mod, you are simply tapping into the decoder chip with a mod, nothing is bypassed or defeated at all

decoder chips can't insert HDCP during decoding, this is enforced by processing in the HDMI section after the decoder

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Phil Smith



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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:56 pm    Post subject:

Gary M. wrote:
Phil Smith wrote:
Mark,

It's not about whether SDI is beneficial or not, it's about Gary selling his SDI mod, something he's been told not to do. Selling SDI mods is ALL this thread's about. If he was just sharing with us something he had done for himself, he would gladly tell Walter and Tom how he did it.

Curt,

Well if you don't mind, I don't mind. It's your forum.


why in the world would I tell someone how I accomplished this? I mean really Phil just think about it Laughing

I don't see people demanding that Moome show them how to build HDMI cards? 8) get real dude

I wouldn't tell Walter anyway, he has been nothing but a prick to me in the past, Tom is another thing though, even if I wanted to I can't and like I said this is not something a DIYer can do, not even possible to implement

and for the record selling mods is not what this thread was about because if it was I would gladly say contact me for info

the point is that I would love to deal with Curt and the forum again(everyone on here is not bitter like Phil), but I can see that the forum regulars wouldn't allow me to have a minutes peace here, so it is probably not a good idea anyway Thumbs Up

and please for the last time, stop equating me to the balanced power stuff, that is something I did for all of 3 months, I would prefer to be known for other things I have did for 5+ years

-Gary

It must be a youth thing. You think people are WAY dumber than they really are Gary. You're assumption that we are stupid enough to believe that crap is insulting.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject:

Phil Smith wrote:
Gary M. wrote:
Phil Smith wrote:
Mark,

It's not about whether SDI is beneficial or not, it's about Gary selling his SDI mod, something he's been told not to do. Selling SDI mods is ALL this thread's about. If he was just sharing with us something he had done for himself, he would gladly tell Walter and Tom how he did it.

Curt,

Well if you don't mind, I don't mind. It's your forum.


why in the world would I tell someone how I accomplished this? I mean really Phil just think about it Laughing

I don't see people demanding that Moome show them how to build HDMI cards? 8) get real dude

I wouldn't tell Walter anyway, he has been nothing but a prick to me in the past, Tom is another thing though, even if I wanted to I can't and like I said this is not something a DIYer can do, not even possible to implement

and for the record selling mods is not what this thread was about because if it was I would gladly say contact me for info

the point is that I would love to deal with Curt and the forum again(everyone on here is not bitter like Phil), but I can see that the forum regulars wouldn't allow me to have a minutes peace here, so it is probably not a good idea anyway Thumbs Up

and please for the last time, stop equating me to the balanced power stuff, that is something I did for all of 3 months, I would prefer to be known for other things I have did for 5+ years

-Gary

It must be a youth thing. You think people are WAY dumber than they really are Gary. You're assumption that we are stupid enough to believe that crap is insulting.


it must be a old thing Phil, last time I checked no one called anyone stupid but you

call it crap if you want, thats your opinion, we all know the old saying about what those are like Thumbs Up

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WTS



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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject:

A PRICK TO YOU?

Why, because I said you filter was BS, I guess if that's being a prick then that I was. Now I think you're the F**king prick, ban the PRICK Curt!

As far as Gary doing the design on the HD-SDI get real, this guy does not have the knowledge to design anything like this and I'm sure he'll admit to that himself. Someone else is doing the design, what part Gary is playing in this I'm sure is very minimal as far as the actual electronic design goes.

Gary you need to stop buffing yourself up and making like you're one smart one here when it comes SDI.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:30 am    Post subject:

WTS wrote:
A PRICK TO YOU?

Why, because I said you filter was BS, I guess if that's being a prick then that I was. Now I think you're the F**king prick, ban the PRICK Curt!

As far as Gary doing the design on the HD-SDI get real, this guy does not have the knowledge to design anything like this and I'm sure he'll admit to that himself. Someone else is doing the design, what part Gary is playing in this I'm sure is very minimal as far as the actual electronic design goes.

Gary you need to stop buffing yourself up and making like you're one smart one here when it comes SDI.


when did I say I designed it Walter, please show me that, as well with being the smart one? I never said anything I simply do the mods, big and little of it

I said the install is not DIY, nor would someone be instantly qualified if they were a EE

saying my filter was BS is not the problem at all, I welcomed the critique(which I proved was false BTW), it was your attitude towards me, which I see you still have

and for the record I actually have designed and modded more than a couple DVD players with SDI from the ground up, you don't have to be a EE to read service manuals and implement simple procedures

most people that dislike me online, on this forum etc. started out with a chip on their shoulder because of my age, thats all Phil ever mentions while he dingle berries around my posts, if someone doesn't like it then tough, I am sorry

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WTS



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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 12:48 am    Post subject:

True enough, you don't need to be a EE to do mods, but is does help in understanding what it is your doing exactly, instead of doing a piant by numbers job. I do give you credit for doing the mods as you're right not everyone can do that.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject:

understood Walter

-Gary
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject:

Gary, You posted the following text along with screenshots:

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I recently modded my personal Panny BD30 for HD-SDI output, I am feeding the best possible purest signal available to my VP50pro scaler via 1080p/24 4:2:2, as you can imagine the PQ is simply unreal ...


Ok, so this is an open forum for CRT enthusiasts. Why are you posting this information if you're not going to share exactly what you did? You're either trying to sell your mods or you're trying to share information on how to do it. Which is it?

Moome doesn't share his information on his HDMI cards because he has an agreement with us to sell his products. That would be bit counter-productive no?

Last I heard was that Curt didn't green light you to sell your SDI-HD mods here so I'm not sure why you're branging/advertising them now. I'm confused.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject:

This may not get us back on track but years ago I sat right beside the President of VDC as we watched a Xymox modded (Chris Stephens) 9500 being fed an HD-SDi signal from a Teranex.

The VDC guy was impressed but perhaps that is because there was no HDMI at the time?? I'm sure that hypothetically he agreed it would have looked the same.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:06 am    Post subject:

like I said before, this was not a sale post, it was a post to get the word out there about HD-SDI and that it is solid thing for PQ

will a few people contact me because of posting? yes, but again that was not my intention, I am very well aware that I am no longer working with Curt and the forum, why would I come here and post a "sale add" just to piss everyone off and cause problems

I have many many people PMing me and asking what HD-SDI is all about, what it improves, how it does this or that and most find a post like this to be informative and enjoy it

I have already apologized to Curt and said he can delete this thread if he wants, What I don't understand how you guys think that I thought I was just going to place a "ad" (as you guys say) up here and get by with it without causing problems?

basically all this is is the typical kind of post from people who work on stuff like this, we get excited and want to talk about it, sure we sell stuff, but that is not the intention when posting, it is just out of enthusiasm

if people want to find me they can, me posting on this forum talking this is or that doesn't change that

basically when I was here before people acted the same way towards me, and this thread if anything has shown me that the animosity to my mere presence on the forums is proof enough that I am wasting my time here even discussing things and ultimately seeking to return to dealing with the forum would be a disaster, one that I don't need in the least

I have edited my original post so Curt doesn't have to delete this thread, enjoy the show, I am out for good Thumbs Up

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WTS



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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject:

I'd like to read an unbiased review of SDI-HD versus HDMI to hear what others think of the 2 types of data stream formats in a home theatre enviroment. From a manufacturing point I can't imagine it costs anymore to make a set of HDMI ICs vs a set of SDI-HD ICs.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject:

Gary M. wrote:
I have many many people PMing me and asking what HD-SDI is all about, what it improves, how it does this or that ...
What I don't understand how you guys think that I thought I was just going to place a "ad" (as you guys say) up here and get by with it without causing problems?

What's the hardest part about selling something? Getting your product in front of potential customers. And now you've got "many people PMing" you about it. Oh no, that's not an "ad," not at all. Suuure.

If somebody pulls a gun on you and demands all your money, it doesn't matter if he calls it a "gift." He's still robbing you. (No, Gary, I'm not claiming you're robbing anybody. I'm saying what you're doing is defined by what you DO, not by what you CALL it. And what you're doing is advertising your product.)
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject:

WTS wrote:
I'd like to read an unbiased review of SDI-HD versus HDMI to hear what others think of the 2 types of data stream formats in a home theatre enviroment. From a manufacturing point I can't imagine it costs anymore to make a set of HDMI ICs vs a set of SDI-HD ICs.



Alan did comment in the TVOne blend thread on the "A" site there is an improvement in PQ with SDI-HD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14224722#post14224722


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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject:

Hi Mike,

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that thread. Although one minor review like that doesn't make it so, it's a start. I seem to recall that one scaler company said they decided not to go with SDI over HDMI because they really couldn't see an improvement, can't remeber who that info came from.

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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject:

Gary M. wrote:
will a few people contact me because of posting? yes, but again that was not my intention, I am very well aware that I am no longer working with Curt and the forum, why would I come here and post a "sale add" just to piss everyone off and cause problems

I have many many people PMing me and asking what HD-SDI is all about, what it improves, how it does this or that and most find a post like this to be informative and enjoy it

Like you didn't know prior to starting this thread that would happen. Rolling Eyes

You're not the first to do this by a long shot. Everyone that starts a thread; "Hey everyone, I'm thinking about selling my "X" PJ, and I'm wondering what it's worth. Of coarse, I'm not trying to sell it with this thread, as I know that's against the forum rules. I'm just trying to determine it's value." is doing the same thing. You don't have to have but half a brain to know what the poster is really up to. The posters KNOW they'll get PMs from interested buyers, and that's the REAL reason for the thread.

Gary's "for sale" thread is really not fair to the other forum vendors. If I was Moome or Joust, who are paying for the privilege, I'd be pissed off.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject:

WTS wrote:
Hi Mike,

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that thread. Although one minor review like that doesn't make it so, it's a start. I seem to recall that one scaler company said they decided not to go with SDI over HDMI because they really couldn't see an improvement, can't remeber who that info came from.


I absolutly agree and Alan did comment the difference being very subtle. I did notice on a few blu-rays things that resemble EE, this screen shot was taken from No Country for Old Men with my HTPC and XG. Notice the outline around the guys shirt on the right side. Its much more noticable in the full side image. It would be interesting to compare the same shot SDI-HD to HDMI and even analog as I am using.




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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject:

With all due respect to Alan, I don't think he's that knowledgeable about HT.

I'd like to see a well setup, non-biased, double blind test of HDMI vs HD-SDI.
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