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[stefuel]

[Gary M.]

Chip, maybe I did over react and for that I am sorry, it just rubbed me the wrong way when you replied back like that especially after I had helped you in the past

no harm done, mostly my fault anyway

-Gary

[Gary M.]

[Axatax]

Another benefit of SDI is instantaneous source switching. No delay like HDMI.

[ecrabb]

[Gary M.]

yes that is the point, HD-SDI eliminates variables and possible PQ pitfalls, why mess around ?

-Gary

[energeezer]

Gary
The reason for the infighting on this thread is fairly simple. There are three main groups of CRT'ers IMO. Each of these groups is passionate about their hobby and convinced they have made the correct choice in displays.
1) Those who want the best bang for the buck which is why they are not using digital.
2) Those who want the best image they can possibly get but without breaking the bank doing it. Guys like myself
3) Those who feel CRT still delivers the best image even when cost in virtually no object. Guys like Gino, Cliff and possibly yourself.

It is really a no brainer that scalers have their place. Its a fact that they can, and in most cases do, add some measure of image quality as well as flexibility. As long as people want the most from the system, and are willing to spend a little more, scalers will have their place.
I've had some dealings with you and I am very happy with all of them whether it was my seeking information or the purchase of an SDI modded SD DVDP. You always encourage me to get the better product but the truth is that since I am in group 2 this is not always in my plans. I realize your motivation as you are in group 3 and running a business. If my financial means were better I would be in group 3 as well.
It seems some people are so passionate that they have made the correct decisions that they don't want to hear the logic behind the motivations of others.
I believe that the bottom line for all of us is that there is no wrong group and the truth is that in most cases a scaler is not always viable for group 1. I also believe that group 1 is the bulk of the users and is what really keeps CRT going by keeping the market alive. Without group 1 we would lose guys like Curt, Moome and others. Once they are gone the hobby will die for most of us.

[Phil Smith]

Steve,

There's one more group - those that don't believe the hype.

[Gary M.]

[Gary M.]

[energeezer]

[Phil Smith]

I don't like saying stuff like this, but since you guys keep hammering on it:

I'm ok in the money department, at least when it comes to affording HT gear. I could pay cash for whatever I want, whenever I want, and never notice the money was gone. I'm sure this is true of many other forum members.

Just as I said, some of us don't believe the hype, and/or just don't want it or feel like we need it.

[Gary M.]

[VideoGrabber]

> There are three main groups of CRT'ers IMO. <

Steve, well said.

> There's one more group - those that don't believe the hype. <

Phil, nothing wrong with being a skeptical "show me" guy. If someday someone can demonstrate to you a bona-fide advantage to a VP that improves your viewing situation, I suspect you'll join the ranks of the believers. Until then I'm sure you'll get along fine without one.

> what you are admitting is that you can afford better PQ at anytime and you are happy enough to be sitting in mediocrity? <

Gary, he only admitted that he could afford it IF he was convinced it really offered the better PQ you claimed it does. He's not convinced, and your denigrating him isn't likely to change that situation. There are more effective persuasion techniques. Like producing a compelling list of substantive advantages.

[VideoGrabber]

Gino asked:

> Can't output interlaced other than 1080 lines? That's news to me, why can't they? <

Perhaps because they didn't think it was worth implementing? I don't know. You'd think it was fairly logical that they could, but apparently not.

I should probably clarify that my comment on this limitation was based on the iScans and Lumagens I was familiar with. The VP50 may or may not have this capability, though it's way out of my price range. I will say that ABT/DVDO does nothing in their documentation to make finding the answer to this type of question easy. In fact, you have to go to other sources (e.g. Greg Rogers' review) to find out that the VP30 does averaging field-scaling for 1080i inputs, and can't frame-lock them to avoid judder, so its use for HD inputs is significantly constrained. Which is a shame, since used ones are starting to show up at decent prices. I like the I/O management and lipsync on the DVDOs a lot, but the similarly-priced (used) Lumagens are superior in processing HD sources. Both are excellent companies.


Personal correspondence with Jim Peterson over at Lumagen last winter...

Me: > Which of the Visions (if any) can output interlaced at other than 1080?

Jim: > None. Only 1080i is supported for interlaced output.


I have no clue what the CrystalIO can do, but it's a moot question for me.

[Gino]

[Gino]

[Gary M.]

[nomadII]

I fully understand the "hold the price at X" mentality. I am however mystified by the "can't possibly be improved on" judgements thrown around by people with no exposure to what is being discussed.


Real problem here is that the "don't believe the hype" crowd said the same thing about HD-DVD, Blu-Ray & whatever the hell that tape format was.

By no means limited to Dallas only , but cannot remember how many times I was told that no source could possibly improve PQ enough to warrant the cash outlay beyond what was once considered state of the art upconversion.


Phil, I am not singling anyone out. Unless everyone here pulled a Sandy Berger it should all still be in the archives.

Hey Haflich, what the hell documents did Berger remove from the Library of Congress anyway??


There were other notables: "No way an 8" can resolve 1080P" etc.
People were declaritive, authoratative & dead ass wrong!!

[Gino]