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Thor



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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject:

Mark_A_W wrote:
Please post your timings.

You may need to add more porch pixels, and push the ringing out of the visible area, into the porches.


What is happening is the beam is oscillating after retrace - it's speeding up and slowing down slightly, which leads to the light and dark bands.

If you reduce the width by ~10%, does it disappear?

My XG does this a bit too, because I have pushed the width a bit too much. I need to pull the projector back or add lots more porch pixels if I really want to fix it.


I post them when I come home later, thanks.
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject:

Yes , TSE has told me the Marquees like a little longer timings, they can do weird things if the timings are too short.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject:

I also have the same problem with my 9500 Ultra (jail bars). This only happen with 1080p input signals. My signal sources are HTPC and PS3 at 1920x1080 60hz thru VIM-HD HDMI 1.2 (retrace is short). I tried to move the raster and then adjust the phase but there is almost no margin. If I change the retrace to long the problem disappears but I loose a big portion of the picture. In case of PC signals I can use PowerStrip to modify the HD porches but in case of PS3 this is not an option.

If I connect the HTPC thru the RGBHV cable I can't see this problem.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject:

Same here, with 1080p resolutions i had to use bigger porches on my VP-50. How are things with latest Marquees , is there some sort of modications done (to hdm) Or is it same thing with those?
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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject:

Hmmm with a VP i have no issues with Jail bars on any edge running 1080p with either retrace long or short. I did have another issue of squiggly lines that increasing the porch settings lowered them considerably. I would say try to increase the timings in the H and V areas.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject:

1031 wrote:
Same here, with 1080p resolutions i had to use bigger porches on my VP-50. How are things with latest Marquees , is there some sort of modications done (to hdm) Or is it same thing with those?


My Marquee is from August 2004 and it is the same.

Are you using the VIM-HD too?
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1031



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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject:

DGP wrote:


My Marquee is from August 2004 and it is the same.

Are you using the VIM-HD too?


Yes, Vim-HD with gamma. Mine is 8500 (original was 7500/8110) from 97.
But that is not big problem for me right now because i run it 1080i@72Hz for Blu-Ray movies.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject:

My settings:


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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject:

Ok first try changing the uS and the mS ont he Horizontal Front porch,Sync width and back porch so they are all above 1,000. If that doesnt do it,
then add more pixels to the front H porch and H Sync Width.



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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Hmmm with a VP i have no issues with Jail bars on any edge running 1080p with either retrace long or short. I did have another issue of squiggly lines that increasing the porch settings lowered them considerably. I would say try to increase the timings in the H and V areas.

Athanasios


I Can't find the post, but at one time TSE said it was caused from a reflection of one of the coils on the tube neck (focus?), when using short retrace. Athanasios, are u using Frankenyokes? I have not put mine in yet, but am wondering if this will perhaps solve the issue. TSE' s recomendation was to use phase to adjust it out, but others have said that phase will cause convergence drift.

When I set up my projector using Blu Ray I set the raster well to the left and managed to dial most of it out. I however find the left side of the screen sligthly softer than the right (only visible at the bottom left with text).
If Frankenyokes don't resolve this, it may require a VP.

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Thor



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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:47 am    Post subject:

Nashou66 wrote:
Ok first try changing the uS and the mS ont he Horizontal Front porch,Sync width and back porch so they are all above 1,000. If that doesnt do it,
then add more pixels to the front H porch and H Sync Width.

Athanasios


I tried you settings Athanasios, but It didn't help much, other than it reduced the image size, and changed my refresh rate.

So now I have moved my PJ a little back, and uses a little less of the raster to the image, so that have reduced it to an acceptable level. It's not gone, but less visible now.

Thanks, Morten.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject:

Hi guys,

I just wanted to post some pictures from my new HT room. It's almost done, I just need some curtains up by the screen.
Sorry for the image quality, bad camera.



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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject:

if i was you i would buy more speakers in the back i would use sex speakers and i would buy more subwoofers
but whats me i use sex souroundspeakers and four subs with two teninchers in each sub
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Thor



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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:39 am    Post subject:

Thanks for your reply Michael. Well for me the 6.1 system works fine. And believe me, the "small" SVS PB10 can actually shake the place up pretty well Wink
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