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Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

http://www.cepro.com/article/blu_ray_adoption_wont_happen_until_2009_research_finds/

As has been said many times, sub-$200 players are the magic to making HD on disc take off. We will not see the flood of High Def movies until there is widespread adoption.

HD DVD hit that mark with MORE FUNCTIONAL players than any blu-ray player TO DATE and a better audio spec. Had consumers been smart and refused to buy blu-ray, it would be dead by now and we would be seeing the flood of high def movies this year. As it is, it looks like the flood of high def movies is more than 2 years away.

In capitalism, you vote with your dollars. It amazes me that people vote against their own best interest.

Oh well, I'm just one bitter frustrated guy who was looking forward to affordable high quality video and audio in the near future. Seems like the blu-ray supporters have denied us all this. Sad

**kal** · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject:

HD DVD players only hit the $200 mark after it was pronounced as pretty much dead.
IMHO, had Blu-ray never existed or lost, you wouldn't have seen sub $200 HD DVD players for a much longer time.
Again IMHO, had HD DVD won it would take until 2009 as well before mass adoption of HD DVD would start.

I'm not arguing that Blu-ray is the better choice, I'm just saying that HD DVD only hit the $200 mark because it was being dumped. Comparing prices at that point doesn't make any sense.

Had HD DVD won, the title of that article would instead read "HD DVD Adoption Won’t Happen Until 2009, Research Finds".

Kal

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

**kal** · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject:

Ok, ok - I don't don't want to get into these arguements again. Smile

One thing's for sure: Had there been no war at all HD on disc would have been here a lot faster for sure. The war did no good whatsoever. Well, that's not exactly true: Some are saying that the war actually got prices lower faster than if there was no war at all. Without competition prices could have stayed artificially high for longer. Not sure how much I believe that though, and there's no way to check if it's true as we don't have a time-machine or a duplicate universe to test it in. Wink

Kal

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

War what War? I got a LG BH100 right from the start, And i just got a BH200 on ebay NIB for 399 shipped. I say so what. I just want to enjoy true HD not like the crap on Dish or cable.

Athanasios

JustGreg · Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3098 Location: Kenosha, WI

"According to recent research from Interpret, LLC, Blu-ray awareness has hit 60 percent, but hardware penetration is still low. The Reuters report argues that Sonys PlayStation 3, which has an embedded Blu-ray drive, isn’t doing the job."

Huh. What a shocker. Soooo, can I leap to the conclusion that during the Great Format Wars PS3 numbers were insignificant? If that's the case, can I also leap to the conclusion the numbers for Blu-Ray were fudged or manipulated to show greater sales of higher priced players?

I'm not bashing or looking for a fight, I'm just trying to find out how Sony and the Blu-Ray camp came up with numbers that ultimately led to the demise of an arguably superior alternative. Throughout the protracted advertising battle the PS3 numbers WERE included in Blu-Ray adoption numbers IIRC. (I might not remember correctly...I turned 50 today). Laughing

**AnalogRocks** · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject:

Tom.W · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 6635

Happy 50th Greg ! I pretty much agree with Dave Wink

JustGreg · Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 3098 Location: Kenosha, WI

overclkr · Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 4227

Let's not forget about $35 dollar movies either. Most of the general public will NOT spend that kind of money for a single movie.

Evil or Very Mad

Oh and Happy Birthday Greg!

stefuel · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject:

Greg,
Just so ya know, it's no longer IIRP for you. It's AARP Laughing

perisoft · Joined: 29 Aug 2007 Posts: 2920 Location: Ithaca, NY

Brian Hampton · Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 1173

Hey,

HD DVD wasn't without it's merits... Seems to me there were some advantages to the format.

Either way,.. it's done.

I think Blu Ray is growing steady and I'm optimistic for it's future.

Sorry if you feel I voted against HD.. It's just not like that. I actually sort of lucked into the winning format. I do think the better format won and I hope it becomes the real next gen format.

-Brian

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

if you think about that research study and the 2009 date, there is a good explination or at least to me its obvious. 2009 is the year analog TV ends and Digital High deff starts. people will at that point begin looking at buying a new HD set. Once they get that HD set in the beginning of that year and are able to see the improved quality of HD over the air signal compared to the old 480i signals they will want to improve on the quality of their movie collections. So later in 2009 is when mass amounts of blu ray players will be bought. its not Blu ray supporters fault, i bought both formats. i prefferd the look of blu ray as i found HD DVDs have, on some movies, a black crush that I could not get rid of, But i still bought many and still do, like Grand Prix. So its not some conspiracy that sony has or the ignorance of people not knowing the better product when they see it.

Who knows, maybe some movie making company will buy the technology rights to HD DVD authoring and continue to make HD Discs for all those who have players, It could be a nice small buisness opportunity.

i am format neutral.

Athanasios

**kal** · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:53 am Post subject:

Nashou66 · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 16171 Location: West Seneca NY

WanMan · Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Posts: 10270

You can defend HD DVD all you would like and bash Blu-ray but when the HD DVD primary lead GAVE UP and failed to find significant enough following both in the consumer market and in the business world its not Blu-ray's fault. I'm not about to believe that consumers would have benefited from zero competition, and I cannot blame Sony for not supporting HD DVD.

And since when if HD anything suppose to be affordable?

**kal** · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject:

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX

Person99 · Joined: 09 Mar 2006 Posts: 4899 Location: Flower Mound, TX