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kal
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: NEW! Moome EXT-FULLHD HDMI 1.3 converter! |
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I thought you guys might be interesting in hearing about a new product I've been using for the last week - the world's first external HDMI 1.3 to RGB converter!
Moome's EXT-FULLHD HDMI 1.3 converter
See: https://www.curtpalme.com/forum_archived/viewtopic.php@t=10336.html
Long story short: I really like this thing. I like it more than than my previous Moome EXT-HD or HDfury/RTC2200 combo.
See the link for full details, specs, manual, etc. Post any questions you may have over there.
It'll be available for pre-order very soon (1-2 days). Price will be $330 with free priority shipping to anywhere. Product will ship in 4-6 weeks (so say 8 weeks  ).
Kal
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Kal,
> I like it more than than my previous Moome EXT-HD or HDfury/RTC2200 combo. <
Hey! You're not allowed to say that without saying why. 
Seriously though, having the gamma boost on the RTC2200 lets you apply it via the passthrough to other sources. This box is exclusively for HDMI, so somewhat less flexibility (though perhaps better performance).
I like that Moome has included the gain trim for 0.7-1.0V output, since many PJs differ on the input signal they perform best with (though theoretically all 0.7V, it doesn't work that way in practice).
I'll also say (and open myself to criticism) that this price point seems a bit high for a single function box, compared to his previous, more flexible multi-function offerings (and I've got several Moome boxes already).
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kal
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Hi Tim!
| VideoGrabber wrote: | > I like it more than than my previous Moome EXT-HD or HDfury/RTC2200 combo. <
Hey! You're not allowed to say that without saying why. |
I know I should have given more info than that. The HDfury/RTC2200 combo is fantastic. I've been using it for some time. I used the EXT-HD for a couple of months to test it for Moome and helped fixed the ringing/echo problem that he had. After it was fixed I found it to be a very good product as well but not much better than the HDfury/RTC2200. The two things looked extremely similar which is a good thing. I did like the gamma on Moome's box a bit better though. I found it easier to get closer to 2.22 gamma with it than with the RTC2200/HDfury combo. (Might be something due to my projector - I'm not sure).
In terms of sharpness, colours, noise, I found the EXT-HD and RTC2200/HDfury to be extremely similar - which is a good thing as both are very good.
The EXT-FULLHD on the other hand is just a bit better on 2/3 of the items:
Sharpness: The EXT-FULLHD is sharper (I tested this mostly at 1080p/60 and 1080i/60 or more accurately 1080i/30). This sharpness different is hard to see on actual movie content however, but it is there when I used test patterns.
Colours: Colours were the about the same. They appeared the same and measured the same.
Noise: The EXT-FULLHD is smoother. Less noise. The EXT-FULLHD just seems to have more detail. I can't put my finger on it as quick A/B testing wasn't possible (I don't have two PS3's).
The setups I used to compare:
PS3 -> 6' HDMI to DVI cable -> HDfury/RTC2200 combo -> 3' hi-end RGBHV cable -> Extron SW2 VGA switcher -> 25' bettercables.com RGBHV cable -> Zenith 1200 CRT projector
PS3 -> 6' HDMI to HDMI cable -> EXT-FULLHD -> 3' hi-end RGBHV cable -> Extron SW2 VGA switcher -> 25' bettercables.com RGBHV cable -> Zenith 1200 CRT projector
Both setups were greyscale calibrated to match, with light output set to the same ftL.
| Quote: | | Seriously though, having the gamma boost on the RTC2200 lets you apply it via the passthrough to other sources. This box is exclusively for HDMI, so somewhat less flexibility (though perhaps better performance). |
The HDFury/RTC2200 combo is an excellent one - I've been using it for almost a year now and have never been disappointed by it. I'll be replacing it with the EXT-FULLHD and an HDMI switcher however as there is a difference in performance as you stated.
| Quote: | | I like that Moome has included the gain trim for 0.7-1.0V output, since many PJs differ on the input signal they perform best with (though theoretically all 0.7V, it doesn't work that way in practice). |
Yup. I love this feature. I really pushed Moome to include this. It's the last ounce of performance in that you can tweak the output to match your display perfectly.
| Quote: | | I'll also say (and open myself to criticism) that this price point seems a bit high for a single function box, compared to his previous, more flexible multi-function offerings (and I've got several Moome boxes already). |
It's about the same price as the EXT-HD but doesn't have the extra HDMI input & component input. Moome tells me that it's considerably more expensive and complicated to do HDMI 1.3. Myself I'd rather see a simple function box like this to keep the price down as much as possible instead of putting in HDMI switching. Less and less people are using component so dropping that saved money as well.
Compare the $330 price of the EXT-FULLHD to the $450 price of the XG-FULLHD card that is the same but has two HDMI 1.3 inputs. The EXT-FULLHD also has to have a metal case an a power supply.
Kal
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| kal wrote: | Hi Tim!
| VideoGrabber wrote: | > I like it more than than my previous Moome EXT-HD or HDfury/RTC2200 combo. <
Hey! You're not allowed to say that without saying why. |
I know I should have given more info than that. The HDfury/RTC2200 combo is fantastic. I've been using it for some time. I used the EXT-HD for a couple of months to test it for Moome and helped fixed the ringing/echo problem that he had. After it was fixed I found it to be a very good product as well but not much better than the HDfury/RTC2200. The two things looked extremely similar which is a good thing. I did like the gamma on Moome's box a bit better though. I found it easier to get closer to 2.22 gamma with it than with the RTC2200/HDfury combo. (Might be something due to my projector - I'm not sure).
In terms of sharpness, colours, noise, I found the EXT-HD and RTC2200/HDfury to be extremely similar - which is a good thing as both are very good.
The EXT-FULLHD on the other hand is just a bit better on 2/3 of the items:
Sharpness: The EXT-FULLHD is sharper (I tested this mostly at 1080p/60 and 1080i/60 or more accurately 1080i/30). This sharpness different is hard to see on actual movie content however, but it is there when I used test patterns.
Colours: Colours were the about the same. They appeared the same and measured the same.
Noise: The EXT-FULLHD is smoother. Less noise. The EXT-FULLHD just seems to have more detail. I can't put my finger on it as quick A/B testing wasn't possible (I don't have two PS3's). |
Couldn't you do it with a 1 in 2 out switch box?( or 4 in 2 out etc... ) I'd think that would probably work too. There's nothing quite like A/B'ing the picture to see the differences.
| Kal wrote: |
The setups I used to compare:
PS3 -> 6' HDMI to DVI cable -> HDfury/RTC2200 combo -> 3' hi-end RGBHV cable -> Extron SW2 VGA switcher -> 25' bettercables.com RGBHV cable -> Zenith 1200 CRT projector
PS3 -> 6' HDMI to HDMI cable -> EXT-FULLHD -> 3' hi-end RGBHV cable -> Extron SW2 VGA switcher -> 25' bettercables.com RGBHV cable -> Zenith 1200 CRT projector
Both setups were greyscale calibrated to match, with light output set to the same ftL.
| Quote: | | Seriously though, having the gamma boost on the RTC2200 lets you apply it via the passthrough to other sources. This box is exclusively for HDMI, so somewhat less flexibility (though perhaps better performance). |
The HDFury/RTC2200 combo is an excellent one - I've been using it for almost a year now and have never been disappointed by it. I'll be replacing it with the EXT-FULLHD and an HDMI switcher however as there is a difference in performance as you stated.
| Quote: | | I like that Moome has included the gain trim for 0.7-1.0V output, since many PJs differ on the input signal they perform best with (though theoretically all 0.7V, it doesn't work that way in practice). |
Yup. I love this feature. I really pushed Moome to include this. It's the last ounce of performance in that you can tweak the output to match your display perfectly.
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That'll be a great feature for Ampro owner's; all 12 of us. I was just playing with an Extron 202 Plus and what a difference it made to the picture quality! Upping the voltage is a great feature.
| Kal wrote: |
| Quote: | | I'll also say (and open myself to criticism) that this price point seems a bit high for a single function box, compared to his previous, more flexible multi-function offerings (and I've got several Moome boxes already). |
It's about the same price as the EXT-HD but doesn't have the extra HDMI input & component input. Moome tells me that it's considerably more expensive and complicated to do HDMI 1.3. Myself I'd rather see a simple function box like this to keep the price down as much as possible instead of putting in HDMI switching. Less and less people are using component so dropping that saved money as well.
Compare the $330 price of the EXT-FULLHD to the $450 price of the XG-FULLHD card that is the same but has two HDMI 1.3 inputs. The EXT-FULLHD also has to have a metal case an a power supply.
Kal |
One last thing Kal, is there an image shift problem at all with this as compared to the HDFury? Does it alter the digital porches when converting to analog?
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| AnalogRocks wrote: | | Couldn't you do it with a 1 in 2 out switch box?( or 4 in 2 out etc... ) I'd think that would probably work too. There's nothing quite like A/B'ing the picture to see the differences. |
Sure. Boxes like that are more expensive than regular switchers. I don't have one.
| Quote: | | One last thing Kal, is there an image shift problem at all with this as compared to the HDFury? Does it alter the digital porches when converting to analog? |
Nope. Just like the EXT-HD, the EXT-FULLHD does not have any image shifting problems.
BTW, was talking to Moome about the pricing. It'll be $335 USD, not $330. Unfortunately with the US dollar as weak as it is currently, he mentioned it cannot be any lower. The exchange rate is down 40% as of 2 years ago.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Kal wrote:
> Unfortunately with the US dollar as weak as it is currently, he mentioned it cannot be any lower. The exchange rate is down 40% as of 2 years ago. <
You know, that's an excellent point I had completely overlooked. You just can't compare the past with the present, when there have been such large shifts in monetary values. The times they are a changin'. 
I'll retract my earlier comment, which was a gut reaction based on inadequate consideration. That price seems quite reasonable, and right about where I'd expect it to be, all factors accounted for.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Also, Kal, thanks for filling us in on some of the differences you observed. Good stuff.
> Noise: The EXT-FULLHD is smoother. Less noise. The EXT-FULLHD just seems to have more detail. I can't put my finger on it as quick A/B testing wasn't possible (I don't have two PS3's). <
Too bad you don't have an HDMI splitter/distribution amp. Then you could A/B test with just one PS3, and more carefully evaluate the differences. But if they're that perceptible in delayed testing, all A/B testing would do would be to make the diffs more dramatic (and easier to characterize).
Thanks again for sharing the details, and influencing Moome to incorporate tweaks most meaningful to us CRT guys.
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