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Nashou66
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| Quote: | | 1. I'd pay at least 2 grand for a blender, if one could be found that works anywhere near the 'zilla. |
I think you meant at most you'd pay. 
Right now you can get close if you go RGBHV route for blending (with out using the cheaper C2-260 card
that will be under 2 g's). However i would prefer the C2-1250 B&H has them at 1399 each and i'm sure if you look hard you could get it cheaper and sometimes those places will give a discount if you buy more than one so for around 2800 you get a state of the art scaler blender, also TV-one is working on the software to allow 1080p60 out and also 1080p72 according to
the posts over on AVS. I personaly am waiting to hear about some new hardware they have comming out if its not what i hope it is i will be going with the C2-7100 which i can probably get for about 5600 or less. I have the moome cards and want to keep it digital and am getting the MUX-HD so hdcp will not be an issue. The only thing i did not like about the C2-7200 i tested was the fan noise but that can be fixed easily. I had a C2-2250 but really never got to test both units in a blend since my second PJ was down the time I had to spend with them. but as stand alone single scalers they had a very nice picture as good as my lumagen, it only lacked the point gamma control that the Lumagen has, however they are working on adding this in a firmware update so I'm told.
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Quote: | | 1. I'd pay at least 2 grand for a blender, if one could be found that works anywhere near the 'zilla. |
I think you meant at most you'd pay.
Right now you can get close if you go RGBHV route for blending (with out using the cheaper C2-260 card
that will be under 2 g's). However i would prefer the C2-1250 B&H has them at 1399 each and i'm sure if you look hard you could get it cheaper and sometimes those places will give a discount if you buy more than one so for around 2800 you get a state of the art scaler blender, also TV-one is working on the software to allow 1080p60 out and also 1080p72 according to
the posts over on AVS. I personaly am waiting to hear about some new hardware they have comming out if its not what i hope it is i will be going with the C2-7100 which i can probably get for about 5600 or less. I have the moome cards and want to keep it digital and am getting the MUX-HD so hdcp will not be an issue. The only thing i did not like about the C2-7200 i tested was the fan noise but that can be fixed easily. I had a C2-2250 but really never got to test both units in a blend since my second PJ was down the time I had to spend with them. but as stand alone single scalers they had a very nice picture as good as my lumagen, it only lacked the point gamma control that the Lumagen has, however they are working on adding this in a firmware update so I'm told.
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Technically speaking i "WOULD" pay more. Unfortunately a this point the most could pay is 2 grand 
If i had the 15k for a zilla, id drive to phx and pick one up tonight!
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Nashou66 wrote: |
Right now you can get close if you go RGBHV route for blending |
Are you referring to the TVOne products here?
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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I think you are all copulated in the head  . If you're not satisfied with the image produced by one 9 inch em projector, what makes you think two will do it for you? Just as soon as someone lines three up, that'll be the have-to-have thing. Then it will be four.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| stefuel wrote: | | I think you are all copulated in the head . If you're not satisfied with the image produced by one 9 inch em projector, what makes you think two will do it for you? Just as soon as someone lines three up, that'll be the have-to-have thing. Then it will be four. |
Actually. Simple really. I've now had the opportunity to watch parts of several of my fav scope movies on a CIH set up. 16:9 is just a big TV--CIH is a theater! Although one PJ can do CIA very well (and is arguably the BEST solution), CIH is f*ck***' cool! 
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Nashou66
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| stefuel wrote: | | I think you are all copulated in the head . If you're not satisfied with the image produced by one 9 inch em projector, what makes you think two will do it for you? Just as soon as someone lines three up, that'll be the have-to-have thing. Then it will be four. |
I am going to use 8 inchers.
| Quote: | | Are you referring to the TVOne products here? |
Yes I am. Andy Holiday is testing out the latest firmware(v180) right now over in the UK, they said to have added 1080p60 and 72 with a little help probably from lowering timing settings for the front and back porch. they used to subsample higher scanrates to be able to use those higher rez's but now they did away with that:
Quote of TV-One engineer :
| Quote: | | "We have also been getting the new products ready for the NAB show and we had successful testing with HDCP late last week and 1080P60 is working well, should also be able to do 1080P72 with reduced blanking and no sub sampling. These hardware improvements are on the 2000A series that will be previewed at NAB next week. Another nice couple of features of the C2-2000A is the SDI has been updated to now give HDSDI, there will be a version with HD-SDI in and Out coming later in the year, and we have now added our own version of temporal interpolation – which reduces possibility of Jaggies for very fast panning interlaced sources. In summary the limits we had have now gone" |
here is another quote that proves the 72hz scan rate at 1080p is possible for their units:
| Quote: | | On all the 1T-C2, 1K,2K,7K products we use a DAC capable of a 240Mhz pixel clock. |
they just did not have their software set up for 1080p@72/75. that is the great thing about their corio2 software
it is 100% upgradable and from the looks of them using that 240Mhz pixel clock they should be able to accomodate
those resolutions and some. But you have to remember for blending your not going to be using 1080p on both scaling engines each projector will only show 60 % of that or less depending on how much of a blend zone you plan on using.
the main thing about blending is using the most phosphor area possible as compared to 1:78 phosphor usage
we all use now , we will be able to use 1:33 or close to it, in a blend more resolution on the tube face will be used so fully resolving 1080p over two projectors will be a lot easier than trying to cram it into that smaller 1:78 image area.
At least that is how I see it please let someone else chime in with more infor on resolving ability of different
aspect ratios on crt tubes, it just sems obvious to me that 1:78 is not using the full resolution of the tube even if your doing the Active area scaning trick, that only uses 800 horizontal lines where in a blend for that same scope movie you should be able to scan all of the 1080 to the tube.
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Hey, Chip - How will that one 9-incher look on a 12' wide scope screen?
It's two things that drive the desire to stack or blend: Screen size and scope aspect. Neither thing are suited well fore one CRT projector - regardless of tube size. Big screen means you need two machines. Wide and big screen means you really should look at a blend so you can use more of the phosphor.
Coming from someone who's seen both Art's G90 stack AND his new scope setup, CIH is DEFINITELY F'in cool. You haven't watched the new standard in home theater in a home THEATER until you've seen Casino Royale at 14' wide. It's simply unbelievable.
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), I don't have the room or the money to do a scope setup, so it's a non-issue. In essence, I'm perfectly happy with my old "Corvette" even though I know there are new Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Koenigseggs out there.
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Exacly the point."the new standard". There'll never be a final standard. As long as someone is willing to add on another projector, there will always be that keep up with the Jones's thing. Art finally figured it out and did the right thing.
Even if I had the room I would not do it. Just wait till re-tube time comes and see what happens to those tears of joy I'll quietly sit back and offer up the hankie
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| stefuel wrote: | Exacly the point."the new standard". There'll never be a final standard. As long as someone is willing to add on another projector, there will always be that keep up with the Jones's thing. Art finally figured it out and did the right thing.
Even if I had the room I would not do it. Just wait till re-tube time comes and see what happens to those tears of joy I'll quietly sit back and offer up the hankie |
I hear what you are saying..... but when i have my double 8's blending perfectly on a 12 ft screen.....
Surround sound, comfy seating, an ice cold pepsi w/ a slice o' lemon....
The opening scene of Star wars AOTC fired up..... the thought give me a woody!!!
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| emdawgz1 wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | Exacly the point."the new standard". There'll never be a final standard. As long as someone is willing to add on another projector, there will always be that keep up with the Jones's thing. Art finally figured it out and did the right thing.
Even if I had the room I would not do it. Just wait till re-tube time comes and see what happens to those tears of joy I'll quietly sit back and offer up the hankie |
I hear what you are saying..... but when i have my double 8's blending perfectly on a 12 ft screen.....
Surround sound, comfy seating, an ice cold pepsi w/ a slice o' lemon....
The opening scene of Star wars AOTC fired up..... the thought give me a woody!!! |
I agree 100% with ya!!!!
Regarding re tube, thats the whole point of a blend tube life will be much longer than a non blend less output needed per tube therefore longer life easily up to 10000 hours with not much drop in emissions...and if there is a reduction with crt its easy to boost it up. Once a digital bulb reaches 300 hours it already lost 25% output. I'll wait for the Laser PJ's, no light reduction over time with those and supposed on off contrast like CRT. but till that day comes maybe 5 -7 years from now at a decent price range blending is in my near future.
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| stefuel wrote: | | Exacly the point."the new standard". |
It is the "new standard" because it has only recently become practical in the home. The goal of home theater has always been to equal or exceed the commercial theater. A CIW setup can NEVER exceed the experience of a commercial theater on scope content.
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I've said enough is enough a long time ago. Trying to justify this to me is wasted breath. But hey, if it gives you wood, then by all means go for it. I'm saving my wood for women
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| stefuel wrote: | | I've said enough is enough a long time ago. Trying to justify this to me is wasted breath. But hey, if it gives you wood, then by all means go for it. I'm saving my wood for women |
There's plenty of "Wood" to go around.
I've got wood to spare
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Quote: | | A CIW setup can NEVER exceed the experience of a commercial theater on scope content. |
It can if its 12 feet wide!!!!! 
Athanasios |
Well, depending upon your seating distance, that would make 16:9 content viewed from less than the miminum SMPTE standard of 2x height. And that is not a good presentation for 16:9 content.
But, you are not going to get 12' wide without two CRTs and that was what Chip was objecting too. You are supporting my claim that you need 2 PJs!
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| stefuel wrote: | | I've said enough is enough a long time ago. Trying to justify this to me is wasted breath. But hey, if it gives you wood, then by all means go for it. I'm saving my wood for women |
Hey, I'm not trying to convince you. You commented that we were f*ck*** in the head.
But seriously, as SC said, if you experience it, you'll understand. So, my word to you, don't ever go experience it in a well set up home theater or you will be disappointed with your set up. Especially if you actually find out how within reach CIH may actually be. 
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| Nashou66 wrote: | | Dave I actually do use only one Marquee for now on my 12 foot screen and its not bad at my 13-14 foot |
First--WOW! The brightness of my Cine 8 is OK on my true 1.25 gain (they call it 1.3) 92" wide 16:9 screen. I find it great on an 80" wide screen. I tried a 9' wide image (playing with CIA) and it was WAAAAAY too dim. I can't even imagine 12 foot wide. Unless you are using a torus, you are getting like 4-5 ft lamberts!!!
Yes, your seating distance of about 1.15 image width is perfect for scope content (in fact, my ideal even though it is a bit closer than the 20th century fox optimum scope viewing distance). However, it would put you right on the edge for 16:9 content (which on your screen has a minimum viewing distance of 13.5 feet). A little too close for my preferences.
But, you still have one problem--scope content is SMALLER than 1.85:1 movies. That is just wrong! But, if you are happy with that, if I were you, I'd go CIA in a heartbeat to get a more "manageable" 16:9/1.85:1 image.
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I'm going to go with CIW i like the 1:78 material on that huge screen its right in your face!!!, I do see scan lines, now that i have done some mods to my PJ, but when i stack it becomes more fluid and film like due to the slight overlap of the scan lines. I actually like the stack ,except for the middle seat being gone now, but i know i will get way more out of a blend!!!!!
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| Person99 wrote: | | stefuel wrote: | | I've said enough is enough a long time ago. Trying to justify this to me is wasted breath. But hey, if it gives you wood, then by all means go for it. I'm saving my wood for women |
Hey, I'm not trying to convince you. You commented that we were f*ck*** in the head.
But seriously, as SC said, if you experience it, you'll understand. So, my word to you, don't ever go experience it in a well set up home theater or you will be disappointed with your set up. Especially if you actually find out how within reach CIH may actually be. |
As I said earlier, "I have no desire" I love the image I'm getting now. I know you're a smart guy and will be able to figure this out. I have a 9"LC with HD-10L's. Great care was taken to mount the pj so that it's lens adjustments were exactly mid point. It's sharp as a tack and blinding at normal contrast settings. Give or take a few, what size screen do I have.
That's what I like and I'm shticking to it
Now in the unlikely event that I should ever decide to have a 12 foot wide screen in my house, it wouldn't be with crt's, it would be a digital and that ain't gonna happen either
Two high end 9"LC projectors, a giant screen, a blendzilla and various support equipment. If that ain't the ultimate video geek peni$ pump then I don't know what is
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